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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Wed 25 Oct 2017 - 20:54 | |
| I know that's one interpretation. Reading the Wikipedia analysis, it seems that most people who worked on the film had different theories. Scott's one probably carries the day, and it is yours, and without that the sequence makes little sense - but then it wouldn't be the only thing in that film that didn't make sense to me. |
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Crumpy Andy Zeta Metroid
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Wed 25 Oct 2017 - 22:10 | |
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Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Wed 25 Oct 2017 - 23:23 | |
| Sick. Gonna go see it next time I'm free. So, like, January . . . |
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ZeroJones I'M SO LONELY
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Sun 12 Nov 2017 - 10:59 | |
| Yesterday I got eyeballs on Murder On The Orient Express. As a long-time Poirot fan, I wanted to see what was what, what what. Kenneth Branagh did a pretty good job of yer Belgian boi and the star cast gave great turns. I liked it but Jo said she was hoping for a bit more action. In all honesty, I'm surprised it got made - I'll be looking out to see if it did well. |
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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Sun 12 Nov 2017 - 11:01 | |
| - ZeroJones wrote:
- Yesterday I got eyeballs on Murder On The Orient Express. As a long-time Poirot fan, I wanted to see what was what, what what. Kenneth Branagh did a pretty good job of yer Belgian boi and the star cast gave great turns. I liked it but Jo said she was hoping for a bit more action. In all honesty, I'm surprised it got made - I'll be looking out to see if it did well.
I think it's flopped state-side and surprised you say star cast gave great turns as that's the biggest criticism I've seen as it has this great cast but no chemistry between them. |
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ZeroJones I'M SO LONELY
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Mon 20 Nov 2017 - 20:14 | |
| Oh, thought I'd already replied to you - sorry, mas. - Spoiler:
The 'lack of connection' between the cast is the point of the whole piece: they are all at least passing acquaintances, if not intimately connected... but they can't act that way, or the conspiracy could be discovered. More easily, anyway - you should never bet against yer man Poirot. I know that won't matter a jot to cinema audiences, but long-time Poirot fans get it.
In other news, I'm back from Paddington 2 - no, I am manly, grrr - and loved it. Not quite as cohesive as the original but very inventive (some sections bring to mind the best of Wallace & Gromit) and richly rewarding. |
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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Thu 14 Dec 2017 - 23:43 | |
| I've come back from watching Star Wars The Last Jedi and it's certainly not as bad as an any of the prequels. - Thoughts on plot:
TLJ brings up two questions:
Snoke clearly knows about the Skywalkers and wants to end them, yet who is Snoke and why?
Is Rey parents really nobodies? Sure there doesn't have to be a linage to be a Jedi, just seems off that she's so powerful yet had very little training and going into 9th film there isn't much left of the Skywalker clan that this all saga centres around.
My new Star Wars film rank: 1st Empire 2nd New Hope 3rd Return of the Jedi 4th Force Awakens 5th Rogue One 6th Last Jedi 7th Revenge of the Sith 8th Phantom Menace 9th Attack of the Clones |
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Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Sat 16 Dec 2017 - 22:51 | |
| I've just seen yer Star Wars then. What a phenomenal film. Truly incredible in every regard.
I've not read anyone else's posts, I've nor seen trailers, previews, reviews, tweets, facebook statuses, summaries, examinations, explorations, anything. I watched the film and came on here.
It was extraordinary and interesting and important, it was the Star Wars film of our times. It felt like it had something to say and it damn well said it.
I'm not gonna try to rank it against the others right now because we all know how excited I get, but . . . it'd rank highly.
Damn. |
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Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Sat 16 Dec 2017 - 22:55 | |
| - masofdas wrote:
- Thoughts on plot:
TLJ brings up two questions:
Snoke clearly knows about the Skywalkers and wants to end them, yet who is Snoke and why?
Is Rey parents really nobodies? Sure there doesn't have to be a linage to be a Jedi, just seems off that she's so powerful yet had very little training and going into 9th film there isn't much left of the Skywalker clan that this all saga centres around.
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One of the whole points of the film is that those questions don't matter. Snoke, Rey's parents, Han and Luke and Leia, they're the past and need to be let go.
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ZeroJones I'M SO LONELY
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Sun 17 Dec 2017 - 0:07 | |
| I too have done some watching of Star Wars Episode VIII. The theatre was not as full as I was expecting but that just made it easier to concentrate on what I felt was a great film. Good stuff! - Yeah - pretty big spoilers for The Last Jedi:
Yoda's return I liked, and the loss of Luke Skywalker hit me surprisingly hard. I liked Rose. A great deal. This may be helped by the fact that her actress got very giddy at the premiere.
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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Sun 17 Dec 2017 - 11:52 | |
| I've been ill since seeing The Last Jedi, that's how bad it was |
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Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Sun 17 Dec 2017 - 12:51 | |
| Maybe it was just "sick". |
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Athrun888 Sheegoth
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Wed 20 Dec 2017 - 11:16 | |
| At last! After ten thousand e-years I'm free! I too have now seen The Last Jedi, having come home from watching it. Brilliant movie, cannot speak highly enough of it. If I were to say one thing, just one, that I really liked, it would definitely be that it was that it didn't just retread the past like TFA did. Oh there were homages of course, a few really amazing ones like the sunset at the end of the movie which brought back memories of Luke's debut shot with the Tatooine sunset, but the actual meat of the movie was its own thing. The themes of moving beyond the events of the past definitely rang true, but at the same time it showed the right amount of respect of the past. Not the borderline fanboyish plagiarism of TFA, but genuine respect. I honestly cannot understand the hate I've seen around the internet. I went in bracing myself after the initial reactions, I left the movie theatre instead completely satisfied ( perhaps people went in with certain expectations of what the movie should be and cannot accept it for what it is. Or something). Star Wars is back! Agh, I can't just name one thing ( spoiler warning, if you're on info blackout skip the following bracket). There's just too much to love about the film! - Spoiler:
The opening sequence with the hopeless battle against the First Order, like TFA they absolutely nailed opening the movie in a way that immediately gets you into things and makes the resistance feel like they're just a shade away from being swept under. Luke not turning out to be a flawless saint. Rey's struggles with the darkness, and another hint that she is a bit too prone to going to the dark side (like she was clearly doing during her duel with Ren in TFA). Actual Yoda, and not the lame CGI stuck up abomination we saw in the prequels, no, actual lovable Yoda! The entire third act, literally the entire act. The throne room scene(s), the fight with Phasma, the last stand, everything.
I was initially suspect when I heard there would be a chance of directors between this and TFA. After seeing The Last Jedi I'm actually more saddened that the trend won't continue. And since we're doing rankings ( keep in mind RotJ and TLJ are currently so close they're basically equal, only time will tell which I prefer) - Spoiler:
1.) The Empire Strikes Back 2.) The Return of the Jedi 3.) The Last Jedi 4.) A New Hope 5.) The Force Awakens 6.) The Prequels
Fantastic movie. Fantastic beginning and breathtaking end acts, and a fairly good middle act. I'm not going to say they've topped the Thrawn trilogy as the best sequel to the originals, but with The Last Jedi they've removed any last hint of hesitation I had about embracing it as an equally valid and gripping take. This movie was a fresh new take on the Galaxy Far Far Away and I loved every second of it. And to counter Mas I was ill before I saw the movie, now even the clogged nose has passed! |
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Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Wed 20 Dec 2017 - 12:01 | |
| Athrun gets it! I especially agree about - Spoiler:
Yoda. This one actually feels like the same character from Empire and Return, unlike the prequels version.
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Thu 21 Dec 2017 - 20:12 | |
| I'm going to go see the movie again - I don't think I've been as conflicted about a film in ages. I adored parts of the film but other parts felt disappointing and flat to me. - What I Liked:
The Rey/Luke/Kylo dynamic was incredible. Easily the best part of the film - Kylo is a refreshingly flawed villain compared to the normal menacing Sith from the other film (Vader aside, natch) and how he interacts with both Rey and Luke is brilliant to watch. Props to Adam Driver for an excellent performance.
On a similar note, Rey really came on as a character in TLJ - she felt like a bit of a Mary Sue at points in TFA but her portrayal in Episode VIII calmed those concerns and then some. She feels like her own character now rather than Rule 63 Luke. She's headstrong and even a little bit rash, but she doesn't have that whole "chosen one" aspect like Anakin and Luke to a certain extent. I was initially a bit disappointed that her parentage was revealed to be not a big deal, but after thinking about it I liked it a lot. She's her own person - she's not going to be next Obi-Wan or the next Luke and that plays perfectly into contrasting with Kylo who wants so desperately to be the next Vader.
The other big shock of the film - Snoke's death - didn't need me to think about it like I had to with Rey's parentage. That was just some brilliant subversion of expectations and sat right with me from the moment I saw it in the cinema. Kylo's the real antagonist, and that's how it should be. Plus, it allowed for that incredible throne room battle which is up there with the series' best action set-pieces.
Poe's story-line aboard the cruiser worked really well - I like him a lot as a character and much like Rey/Luke/Kylo's storyline, Poe's fate felt like it had real stakes unlike...
- What I Didn't Like:
...Finn's storyline. This is the part that I most want to rewatch to affirm my opinion on it. On my initial viewing, this part felt like the worst parts of the prequels pervading into the sequel trilogy. It felt disconnected from the main plot and felt like it existed solely to create a couple of action sequences and pad out the film's already overlong run-time. I must admit, it did feel like it needed half an hour chopped from its run-time. It felt like they were just finding something for Finn to do.
Let me give you an example - the end battle of Episode I has like four different set-pieces running tandem to one another. You've got the scrap with Darth Maul, you've got the Naboo trying to get to the throne room, you've got the battle in space with Anakin and you've got the Gungans battling the droids. It's much too busy and you really find yourself only caring about the Jedi and Anakin. Obviously, Episode VIII is much much better than Episode I, but it was a similar feeling here. They thought "hmmm, Padme and Jar-Jar aren't up to much here, let's get them involved" and that came across to me like what they were trying to do with Finn.
Don't get me wrong - I didn't hate this part of the film. It was fun, but I think it hurt the overall pace of the film and didn't really accomplish anything. I've had folks say to me that it existed to show that Finn was no longer selfish and was working for the Resistance now, but I feel like they could have done it in an entirely different way. Maybe have Rose be the codebreaker they were looking for and skip the stuff on the casino city - the visual similarities to the prequels didn't help my feelings here - and jump right to the star destroyer. You can still have Poe carry out his story, you could maybe have spent more time with Hux or Phasma and it would have helped the film's pace considerably. That's just me spitballing ideas - I might redact all of this after rewatching it.
Something I know a rewatch won't change my mind about is the tone. There were a few too many times where I felt the film was trying to be too funny and a lot of it fell flat. The key moment for me was that opening transmission between Hux and Poe - I think they were trying to emulate Han on the Death Star, but after recently rewatching Episode IV I can say that not only was the joke delivered better by Harrison Ford and it was delivered more succinctly. The Poe scene in question felt overlong and felt like something out of a sitcom. Again, that's an editing and pacing problem.
All in all, I really liked it but I've not been raving about it like some have. I'm holding off on locking in my rankings until I rewatch TLJ but for now: - Ranking:
Empire A New Hope The Force Awakens Return of the Jedi The Last Jedi Rogue One Revenge of the Sith The Phantom Menace Attack of the Clones
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Athrun888 Sheegoth
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Fri 22 Dec 2017 - 12:46 | |
| Honestly now that you mention it that's one of my issues too. Not that Finn shouldn't have had something to do, but it feels like they wrote the movie only to realise Finn only has a couple of scenes and so they quickly rustled up an irrelevant subplot where nothing of import happens so they could say at the end " see? Finn did something relevant too!" If they were going to give him a subplot that essentially took up a quarter of the films runtime they should've given him an arc of similar quality to Poe's. - Spoiler:
Instead of having him gallivant off to the casino for half an hour perhaps they should have had that runtime spent on him slowly infiltrating the ship using his old knowledge as a Stormtrooper, it would've played better with the tone of the movie and could have led to some meaty character development. Would've probably made the confrontation with Phasma at the end have more weight too.
Having said all that I did like the fact that - Spoiler:
the entire thing blew up in Finn and Poe's faces when the cracker double-crossed them, played nicely into Poe's arc. I also appreciate that they didn't have the guy pull a Han Solo at the end, he wasn't openly betraying them so he could pull a double-agent twist save at the end, he just straight up backstabbed them. For a series that often likes to pull the former twist it was another great subversion in a film with loads of them.
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Fri 22 Dec 2017 - 17:28 | |
| - Athrun888 wrote:
Having said all that I did like the fact that - Spoiler:
the entire thing blew up in Finn and Poe's faces when the cracker double-crossed them, played nicely into Poe's arc. I also appreciate that they didn't have the guy pull a Han Solo at the end, he wasn't openly betraying them so he could pull a double-agent twist save at the end, he just straight up backstabbed them. For a series that often likes to pull the former twist it was another great subversion in a film with loads of them.
Yeah, didn't mind that part. I especially liked it when... - Spoiler:
...they had the AT-ST firing at the Stormtroopers and you were expecting it to reveal the code breaker but it was BB-8! Great stuff.
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Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Sun 24 Dec 2017 - 2:12 | |
| So, I rewatched it today. That was a palaver in itself; I booked a showing that was too late, had to change that when I realised what hours I was working, then I missed my earlier showing because of a mix-up with the buses and had to buy another one, this time in 3D IMAX.
Anyway, yeah. Its even better the second time. Visually gorgeous, exciting, funny, meaningful and heartwrenching.
I'll have a more in-depth analysis, in particular about the things Jay mentions, but right now this is my list:
The Last Jedi The Empire Strikes Back Return of the Jedi A New Hope The Force Awakens this is a really big gap Revenge of the Sith Rogue One The Phantom Menace Attack of the Clones
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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Sun 24 Dec 2017 - 11:50 | |
| I watched Bright on Friday night and it was alright.
I saw one review of it which was a 7/10 when I saw it trending on twitter with people saying it's the worst film all year (the year where we had the emoji movie) but I enjoyed it for what it was a sort of 7/10 film.
I did really like the world and I hope Netflix can turn it into a series or something.
As this will be likely my last new film of 2017 I see, this is my overall film list of 2017:
1st Blade Runner 2049 Logan Wonder Woman Baby Driver The Lego Batman Movie Spider-Man: Homecoming Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 Atomic Blonde Thor: Ragnarok Ghost in the Shell Justice League Power Rangers Bright Alien: Covenant Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle Star Wars: The Last Jedi 17th Kingsman: The Golden Circle
13 of those were in Cinema, I wonder if one of those Limitless cards could be worth getting hmm also I'm surprised I've got no indie like film in my list but I know of a few I've got to see sometime.
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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Wed 27 Dec 2017 - 10:46 | |
| Double Combo
I watched Baby Driver last night and it is awesome, It might be the second best thing Edgar Wright has done with it's banging soundtrack. |
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Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Wed 27 Dec 2017 - 20:22 | |
| I've still not seen Baby Driver. I'm sure it'll be right up my street as the premise sounds a bit Fast and Furious, and I love Edgar Wright.
I did however just get back from Jumanji with the family. Hilarious stuff! Great videogame gags, and the whole cast do a great job of acting like other people trapped in these jobs. Dwayne Johnson is, as ever, a delight. |
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NintenDUCK Vote Thread
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Wed 27 Dec 2017 - 20:34 | |
| I'm kind of surprised to see Rogue One rank so lowly in everyone's lists. Sure it's not a mainline film but I though it told a really incredible story. Is the fact that it's not part of the main franchise the only reason you're not putting it farther up or is it something else?
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Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Wed 27 Dec 2017 - 23:21 | |
| I genuinely thought Rogue One was a pretty crap film. I didn't care about any of the characters, they were just generic Star Wars protagonists working their way through setpieces to get to the ending that was obvious from the film's opening. I couldn't even tell you the names of any characters other than Jin. The action scenes were okay, but I couldn't be excited by them because nothing in the film made me care about the outcomes. I knew the plans made their way to Leia, and I wasn't bothered if any of these people died along the way. |
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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Wed 27 Dec 2017 - 23:37 | |
| I put it at 5, as I did really enjoy Rogue One and if you catch me on the right day I may even put in at 4 over Force Awakens.
Yeah Baby Driver is a cooler more indie version of Fast and Furious. |
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Athrun888 Sheegoth
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| Subject: Re: Movies 2: Electric Boogaloo Thu 28 Dec 2017 - 0:30 | |
| Honestly I've been avoiding Rogue One specifically because of the aforementioned lack of character development. A story is only ever as good as its cast, you can have the most spectacular story known to mankind but if the characters, which are essentially the viewers emotional link to that story, are lame or uninteresting then the story you're telling is also going to be lame and uninteresting by extension.
That and I've never really been that enamoured with the story concept itself. Death Star plans make their way to Rebels via network of spies who, presumably, died along the way. It's all the information both provided and insinuated that I felt we ever needed regarding the story of how the Rebels got their intel. |
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