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Subject: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Sat 20 Feb 2021 - 18:16
Inspired by a GJones question into The Back Page podcast. (I knew who it was from the first line. ) Most of us have genres we don't get on with: what's a game, or games, in that genre that defied the odds and that you really got on with? I'd suggest no games with Mario in, since his efforts tend to defy genres all round. (Sub-genres, types of game etc. allowed. If you think it's a genre and you don't like most games you've tried under its label, it's fair game. Let's not have tedious debates about what counts.)
I obviously have loads of genres that I don't like, so I'll pick a couple. If this picks up steam I'm sure I can think of more.
STEALTH:
I don't like creeping around in alcoves, or avoiding vision cones. It's not my style, or my power fantasy. I have no interest in the Metal Gears of this world, and as for stealth sections in non-stealth games... Untitled Goose Game bucked that trend through sheer charm and humour value. I didn't mind sneaking around because I was doing it as a horrible goose. (Regarding stealth sections, I really liked the water world in Rayman Legends. The movement made even the stealth fun.)
ACTION:
We've been through this one before. I don't tend to like out-and-out action games: without some exploration to break them up for me (or some farming ), the single note of killing dudes gets a bit tired. I've dumped top examples of the genre like Bayonetta and Astral Chain because I didn't like the in-between bits, or because there weren't any of note. Muramasa: the Demon Blade is probably the only one that I've stayed with and loved. This is because of the aesthetic, the Japanophilia, and the fact that the action (the way I played it anyway) focussed on easy-to-mash mid-air combos and juggling. I felt like something out of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, despite my limited skill and reflexes.
How about y'all?
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Sun 21 Feb 2021 - 9:42
I'll have a volley at this.
RTS:
I'd played resource management games before, but unless they were set on a football pitch or in a theme park I just wasn't arsed. Pikmin changed that though. It was an extraordinary, wonderous and borderline genius playthrough back in the day. I played through it again in 2020, sharing these thoughts:
I wrote:
It’s a really inviting game in so many senses - I don’t think any developer had ever made the RTS genre so easy to look at, or to understand or to get into. That’s in large part due to the controls making total sense and being simplified to a point where even an idiot like me can wrap his head around them in a couple of minutes. Pikmin has got so much personality and imagination...much of the game’s design is brilliant, with five really memorable and packed maps, many intelligently crafted and behaved enemies, a likeable and quietly emotive spaceman lead character. Of course, then there’s the Pikmin themselves. They’re the highlight: they’re so bursting with character that you can’t help but form a wee bond with them, and feel a bit sad when you’ve got no choice but to sacrifice dozens of them to quickly get a tricky piece of your ship back
Yeah, that.
FPS:
First-person shooters are never my genre of choice. I've never jumped at the chance to play any first-person shooter to be honest. Even on N64, I respected the likes of Goldeneye 007, Turok Dinosaur Hunter and Doom 64, but they were never games I wanted to own or would especially go out of my way to rent. As I got more into gaming, I'd experiment with the likes of Perfect Dark, Unreal Tournament and Quake 2, but none of them really clicked with me in the same way that a good platformer/puzzler/racer would. It wasn't until I played Timesplitters 2 in 2002 that I got tuned in to first-person shooters at all. I really liked it's atmospehere, it's goofy style and it's arcadey sensibilities, and it looked and ran brilliantly. It saddens me that THQ Nordic are just sitting on this license, doing hee-haw with it.
masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Sun 21 Feb 2021 - 14:09
I'll have a proper think as I like most genres or if you asked me games I liked in a certain genre, think I could tell you bunch in the genre.
Still might be hard if I have to give three reasons though
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Sun 21 Feb 2021 - 14:46
I only had one idea for this and Cappa beat me to it.
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Mon 22 Feb 2021 - 13:28
It's not strictly to the letter of the thread, but despite liking metroidvanias I have yet to play and enjoy a metroid or castlevania game in the genre!
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Mon 22 Feb 2021 - 14:30
Cappa has nicked the obvious one.
I wouldn't really say that there are many genres I don't like, I'm fairly omnivorous when it comes to games and the genres I'm not really a fan of, well I just don't buy them.
But if you interpret "don't like" as "don't dislike" then I can contribute a few.
Competitive Shooter:
Overwatch is a really good fun team shooter, and legitimately the only game I've ever taken to when it comes to competitive play. Yes, it can be frustrating at times, but there is plenty of fun to be had with friends here. One of the nice things about Overwatch is that it really rewards good positioning and teamwork. It helps to be mechanically good, but for those who aren't there are plenty of high impact characters (Mercy, Mei, Reinhardt etc) that are more a thinking man's hero. This makes climbing the ladder accessible in a way that other games don't.
I'm being a bit cheeky with the genre again here, because I have enjoyed playing Halo 4 online a lot and I do enjoy shooting games, but like I said there's enough variety in Overwatch for anyone who isn't really into shooters but fancies a go.
Walking Simulators:
I guess I'm not really 3d games that require you to walk around and solve something. There are some that I've enjoyed, like Journey, but the one that really stands out as an absolute belter is Return of the Obra Dinn
This is probably the only game of its ilk where I've thought, oooh that's very clever. I'm not really into detective games, but working out the narrative is really good fun here. There's a fantastic and distinctive soundtrack, an intriguing low-res art style, and a narrative puzzle that's put together well enough that it's perhaps worthy of study for prospective game designers. Strongly recommend this one on Switch!
Buy an expensive Peripheral:
Guitar Hero/Rock Band
Ok, I get that this isn't really a genre. But I think rhythm games are alright. What I don't generally do, however, is buy expensive peripherals. Guitar Hero is an exception. It's a shame that Activision milked Guitar Hero into oblivion because it was really good fun in local co-op. It's unlikely to make any sort of return during a pandemic I would have thought, although maybe it could work well enough online. But I would very much like to play it again. You feel like it's the sort of kit that's set up for a bunch of affordable downloadable content but the music ownership industry is incredibly toxic so maybe that was never a possibility.
Mobile:
Another cheat genre perhaps, but I really dislike using touch screens exclusively for games.
Pokémon Go is a really nice companion app for exercise, and while I never got into any of its multiplayer elements, as recently as just prior to the pandemic I would still see groups of people congregating to play it near where I live. I imagine now is a pretty decent time to jump back into, given that they've added loads more pokemon now.
Motorsports Manager 3 is actually a bloody good game. You build up your team, spend resources on upgrading your car and getting better drivers, and you also make strategy calls during the race. It's (unsurprisingly) not as good as the PC version but still decent for a couple of quid.
Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Mon 22 Feb 2021 - 16:26
Strong contributions from Cappa and Muss there! OR's answering the exact opposite of the question and so definitely doesn't count.
@Cappa: Gah, those were two genres I was thinking of (or more generally 'strategy' and 'non-aerial shooter') but I couldn't identify a single game I'd loved from either! The GameCube really was a melting pot era for all sorts of great ideas, wasn't it? (And more software-focussed rather than the hardware-focussed innovations of later genres.) Them were the days...
@Muss: I'm really confused by 'don't dislike'. Do you mean, genres you're not super-keen on? In any case, that's a good few contributions. If I hadn't already spoiled the entire plot for myself I'd almost certainly have picked up Obra Dinn by now. As mentioned in the OP, 'Mobile' and 'Expensive Peripheral' can both be genres if you want them to be.
OrangeRakoon Disciple of Greener
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Mon 22 Feb 2021 - 16:44
It's not the opposite! It's a weird case of the genre being named after specific games so they get more of mindshare!
Like how I don't like souls games but I like Hollow Knight. Which is also a metroidvania, because that game's genre is defined almost entirely by reference to other games.
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Mon 22 Feb 2021 - 18:28
The Soulslike is definitely its own subgenre these days as well.
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Mon 22 Feb 2021 - 18:30
Having a look on Wiki at all the genres which then goes into sub-genres giving about 60 genres as who doesn't love bible games (which I would say isn't a genre, but something like a platformer where you play as Moses).
Still going through them all its platformer which is Mario / Sonic Lucky or FPS Halo / Overwatch, however some games do come to mind in genres not as common as those
Battle Royale:
I've played some Fortnite, PUBG and neither did anything for me, yet Apex I did enjoy. I've not played for a good while and don't plan to go back to it even when it comes to Switch, just I did like it.
Clicker:
Click get trophies
MOBA:
I first played HotS because of an Overwatch skin and I did continue playing it for a bit. I would certainly give LoL Wild Rift a bash when it comes to console.
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Mon 22 Feb 2021 - 18:32
Moses: the Platformer was definitely the best of that genre, even if the water levels were stupidly easy.
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Mon 22 Feb 2021 - 19:34
Balladeer wrote:
Inspired by a GJones question into The Back Page podcast. (I knew who it was from the first line. )
Haha! I did smile when they read it out - like getting a letter published in a mag!
Untitled Goose Game and Muramasa are two games I reckon I'd enjoy. Very pretty art-styles and I love a bit of stealth and/or 2D hack-and-slashing. Similarly, I'm a fan of both Pikmin and Timesplitters - two accessible and highly replayable series that welcome you to their genre but don't overly tutorial-ise themselves (if that makes sense).
I like most genres but there's a few that I would say I've only loved one game in:
Management Sim:
Theme Hospital
I'm not a big PC gamer but Theme Hospital remains the best thing I've played on the format. Having dabbled in Football Manager and Euro Truck Simulator, they lean too far on realism for my liking. Theme Hospital is one of those quintessentially British games that's full of character and humour. Managing a health service has never been so much fun. It has a wacky plot, bonkers diseases and there's plenty of challenge - it might even be too hard (although I was 10 when it came out). Also available on the PS1 but I can't imagine it's much fun on a controller. That's probably why I have little desire to try Two Point Hospital as they are proper keyboard and mouse games.
Rock-hard action:
Ninja Gaiden Black
I love a good action game but I'm lumping this into a section where your Dark Souls, Bloodbornes and Niohs go. Ninja Gaiden on the Xbox was prettier, faster and tougher than the Devil May Crys at the time and it's probably the one brutally difficult game that I will ever play. I was 17 when it came out and it was the perfect age to play something that required time and patience - if I was 17 now I would probably be into Bloodborne or Nioh. That said, I think the first Ninja Gaiden is a great game and seeing it return in the new Master Collection was welcome news.
2D platformer:
Rayman Origins/Legends
Shock announcement - I'm not a fan of 2D platformers.
That's a lie. Donkey Kong 94 is pure class but then that's a vertical puzzle-platformer. I'm talking about console run and jumpers, I just never found them that appealing. Mario's 2D offerings? Not arsed. Sonic's? Take it or leave it. There's a good reason for this - I spent most of my Mega Drive days playing Streets of Rage and Golden Axe, and the N64 was my first console (that was mine and not handed down by family). I always preferred 3D platformers - maybe it's the exploration and nature of solving a level rather than just running to the end. Yet, Rayman Origins and Legends are two of my favourite games. I think it's because of the constant sense of achievement - you keep unlocking levels and characters and there's a number of collectibles (which I'm a sucker for). The game is very forgiving too - it pretty much does away with the usual "lives" and if you do die, you start immediately in that section. The music is also key - when you get into a rhythm there is a musicality to the whole thing that I think Mario and Sonic only nail when you master a level.
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Mon 22 Feb 2021 - 21:16
masofdas wrote:
Clicker:
Click get trophies
Haven't you learnt your lesson saying you like games that you don't?
I'm struggling to think of a genre, I don't think there's a genre I've played that I haven't gotten along with, best I can do is...
Fighting:
Super Smash Bros
I've played a lot of fighting games in my time, some of which I've been there for on day 1 but aside from the Smash Bros series they never seem to stick, mainly because I'm rubbish at them, I don't have the patience to learn all the combos or the quick thinking to use them at the right time.
Smash Bros though got it's hooks in to me after I first played a Melee demo pod in Electronics Boutique. I don't think it's hard to guess why, firstly there's the Nintendo love, anyone who enjoys this company can get something out of this game. It also helps that it's hugely accessible compared to any other fighter and whilst it has its professional scene that I'll never get anywhere near the standard of (I'm just chuffed if I manage to KO Jay a few times) I think there's enough options in there to make it enjoyable for anyone.
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Tue 23 Feb 2021 - 21:49
Balladeer wrote:
Moses: the Platformer was definitely the best of that genre, even if the water levels were stupidly easy.
Today
@Treesmurf I love Mayo I've got the Platinum twice and would a 3rd time if I had a PS4/5 at the moment.
Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 12:04
Not surprised that Smurf is struggling, since he seems to love all game varieties. That's taste we can all aspire to. (That said, Smash has Mario in. ) I considered one-on-one fighting too, before realising I'd basically only played Soul Calibur II and Smash in the genre. (We'd all be happy just to KO Jay a few times.)
I can also confirm that I don't have anything to contribute to the management or rock-hard action/Soulslike sub-genres at all (unless Hollow Knight counts): I've never played a game from either! Rayman Legends was a quality game though, I'm not surprised that broke through the barrier for someone who likes 'gamefeel' as much as GJones.
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 13:16
Getting a platinum is not the same as loving a game. I've got the plat for Horizon: Zero Dawn and I absolutely do not love that game.
I'd say the only genre I can't think of multiple games I've enjoyed to the point where I'd say I don't like the genre is MOBA, but there's no MOBA I like either...
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 13:27
Why got for the plat in something like HZD, then? Mayo is fun and silly, also I've not played any other clickers though
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 13:57
I was much more fond of it after the first playthrough, so I fancied replaying it, unfortunately it was the second playthrough that exposed all its flaws innit.
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 14:41
Ahh I've only played it once but was one of my favourites that year and the sequel is something that more than likely make me get a PS5 before my 10 game list.
Hoping it's dated in the State of Play on Thursday along with a few others like Kena.
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Thu 25 Feb 2021 - 20:39
masofdas wrote:
Why go for the plat in something like HZD, then? Mayo is fun and silly, also I've not played any other clickers though
If you've not played any other clickers then how can you know you don't like the genre? Does The Last of Us count as a clicker game? Anyway you went for the plat because it's easy, doesn't mean you like it, I have a platinum trophy for Megamind and I played it for that alone.
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Thu 25 Feb 2021 - 21:35
Yeah I may love all Clickers and same with MOBA's but those are genres which I've barely played and can't think of many part from maybe LoL Rift or Pokemon Unite which I might give a go.
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Thu 25 Feb 2021 - 21:54
I could probably have given this one some more thought, but
Old JRPGs are bad:
The random encounter and turn taking was an adaptation from dice-rolling that was jammed into videogames to attempt to counter-act software and hardware limitations, ignoring that The Legend of Zelda got this right almost immediately. Then as they became popular, everyone jumped on board with exactly the same game, with exactly the same setting. Except
The urban setting and silly humour set it apart from all the others. Actually enjoyable to work through.
Visual Novels are bad:
Just a choose your own adventure book, but in comic form, although no-one can be arsed to draw a different panel for each character. shouldn't be classed as a videogame. Except
Where (a) they actually had a bit of game in, and (b) the story was actually incredible. Like, genuinely, despite my over-the-top bile a sentence ago.
Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Fri 26 Feb 2021 - 15:49
You don't mean to say you're an Ace Attorney naysayer Jim? Still, if you can only play one visual novel, that's definitely the one to play. That first case is the Jimmest example I can imagine.
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Fri 26 Feb 2021 - 19:57
Ghost Trick is the perfect pick and is really the only one I can think of that works for me as well.
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Subject: Re: Games You Love in a Genre You Don't Sun 28 Feb 2021 - 11:06
The_Jaster wrote:
Ghost Trick is the perfect pick and is really the only one I can think of that works for me as well.
I don't know if you love it, but I know you're not keen on the JRPG but have played Xenoblade.