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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
Posts : 24019 Points : 24420 Join date : 2013-01-18 Age : 34 Location : VITA Island
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Mon 20 Aug 2018 - 16:24 | |
| - gjones wrote:
- masofdas wrote:
- I never get why people compare Splinter Cell and Metal Gear Solid, I find them completely different.
Because they are the two big budget stealth series.
DOOM and Call of Duty are both big budget FPS but aren't the same or Forza Horizon and Gran Turismo again both racing games but not the same. They share elements like those but that's about it. I'm more an MGS fan then I'm a Splinter Cell due to it being a stealth game but certainly would be excited about a new one and was one of the biggest things missing from E3. |
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
Posts : 15896 Points : 15061 Join date : 2013-01-21 Age : 31 Location : The Shibuya River
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Mon 20 Aug 2018 - 16:46 | |
| - The Cappuccino Kid wrote:
- Runbow worked best when I *absolutely destroyed* youse all at it in Manchester. I vividly recall wiping the floor with andyman in particular.
I don't think Andy even won a game. Embarrassing performance, really. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
Posts : 26468 Points : 25302 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 35 Location : Admintown
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Mon 20 Aug 2018 - 20:07 | |
| I'm glad I wasn't playing: I'd have made Andy look like an expert! I'm singularly shoddy at Runbow in multiplayer, and the thing that would drive me to improve - the single-player - I found even less fun than Jay does. It's the controls: they feel slippy, slidey, and even... gooey. It's hard to explain. Bottom line is, it's bobbins. |
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The_Jaster Din
Posts : 11972 Points : 12064 Join date : 2013-01-15 Age : 40 Location : Underground Corpse Pile.
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Mon 20 Aug 2018 - 22:19 | |
| Bobbins is you. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
Posts : 26468 Points : 25302 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 35 Location : Admintown
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Mon 20 Aug 2018 - 22:27 | |
| Bobbins is in all of us if we look hard enough. |
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The Cappuccino Kid Mani Mani Statue
Posts : 6742 Points : 6905 Join date : 2013-02-25 Age : 105 Location : East of Mombasa
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Tue 21 Aug 2018 - 11:14 | |
| That's well unfair on Runbow. It's much better than Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Odyssey, Paper Mario and the Thousand-Year Door, Metroid Prime, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Mario Kart 8 (Deluxe), Super Smash Bros. for Wii U, Ghost Trick, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (3D), Meteos, Celeste, Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations, Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds, Ace Attorney: Spirit of Justice, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Kid Icarus Uprising, Okami, Legend of Zelda: Minish Cap, Muramasa: the Demon Blade, Bravely Second, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Picross DS, Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker (HD), Mario Tennis and Xenoblade Chronicles (Wii version), and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Rum Disciple of Greener
Posts : 1492 Points : 1508 Join date : 2013-01-20 Age : 33 Location : Edinburgh
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Tue 21 Aug 2018 - 12:23 | |
| - The Cappuccino Kid wrote:
- That's well unfair on Runbow. It's much better than Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Odyssey, Paper Mario and the Thousand-Year Door, Metroid Prime, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Mario Kart 8 (Deluxe), Super Smash Bros. for Wii U, Ghost Trick, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (3D), Meteos, Celeste, Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations, Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds, Ace Attorney: Spirit of Justice, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Kid Icarus Uprising, Okami, Legend of Zelda: Minish Cap, Muramasa: the Demon Blade, Bravely Second, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Picross DS, Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker (HD), Mario Tennis and Xenoblade Chronicles (Wii version), and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
Posts : 26468 Points : 25302 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 35 Location : Admintown
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Tue 21 Aug 2018 - 19:35 | |
| I laughed, damn it. Context for Rum. |
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The_Jaster Din
Posts : 11972 Points : 12064 Join date : 2013-01-15 Age : 40 Location : Underground Corpse Pile.
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Tue 21 Aug 2018 - 23:25 | |
| The point is that Runbow is still a cracking game though. *runs away to tell Zero you are badmouthing one of his favourites behind his back* |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
Posts : 26468 Points : 25302 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 35 Location : Admintown
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Wed 22 Aug 2018 - 15:03 | |
| YOU SEE THIS, ZERO? YOU SEE THIS??? LET'S SETTLE IT RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW![/sneakyattempttogethimtopostagain] |
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gjones Disciple of Scullion
Posts : 1671 Points : 1704 Join date : 2015-01-12 Age : 37 Location : Swindon
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Thu 1 Nov 2018 - 20:07 | |
| Anyone tried The Bridge? Fun little physics-based "turn the level to solve the puzzle" game. I may well finish it but as it was free on PS Plus last month, just wondered if anyone else has given it a bash. Glad I didn't put money down, mind. |
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Jimbob Bargain Hunter
Posts : 4637 Points : 4663 Join date : 2013-01-15 Age : 42 Location : Milton Keynes
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Sun 4 Nov 2018 - 20:15 | |
| - gjones wrote:
- Anyone tried The Bridge? Fun little physics-based "turn the level to solve the puzzle" game. I may well finish it but as it was free on PS Plus last month, just wondered if anyone else has given it a bash. Glad I didn't put money down, mind.
I haven't - it's on my PSN backlog! This doesn't really count as an answer; I apologise. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
Posts : 26468 Points : 25302 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 35 Location : Admintown
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Sun 11 Nov 2018 - 17:57 | |
| Octopath Traveller Right, I'm going to try something different. I don't know if anybody's going to use this particular review as a guide as to whether they'd enjoy it, but I have an idea that might make it more legible for those who do. - My thoughts:
- The early-days plots move very slowly, mostly due to the 'quality' of the NPCs. + That said, I instantly loved a fair few of the characters. Therion, Primrose, Cyrus. + A couple of others will grow on you. I ended up thinking Alfyn's arc was really strong. - And then you have Ophelia and H'aanit, who stay bobbins throughout. + Battle system's pretty okay for a random battle-focussed game. The 'breaking' mechanic is new and adds a fair amount of strategy. - Otherwise it is basically turn-based random battles. - The game misses out quality of life improvements such as being able to alter random battle frequency from the Bravely games. + The job system is good, once you unlock it. It gets even better later on. - The frequency of random battles is set too high, so that early-game you'll be running into enemies every few steps (or so it felt to me). - If you try and reduce it, using an ability you learn, you'll find yourself even more underlevelled than you will be anyway. Make no mistake, the game wants you to take on some of the 'optional content'. In other words, yes you'll have to grind. + The enemy designs are excellent. Even the pallette-swaps have some nice stuff going on. + This counts double for the grotesque bosses, which use some tremendous spritework. + In general, it's an absolutely beautiful game. Call it 'HD2D' or whatever you like, it's just beautiful. Especially the lighting. + The music is chuffing amazing too. ? The voice acting is more variable (Cyrus yes Ophelia no), but you do have the option to switch on Japanese voices. - The dungeon designs are dull as fuck. Like Final Fantasies of yore, they're mostly just featureless corridors with enemies and treasure in. - What's worse, they have about five dungeon tilesets. When you're going through your fifth spooooooky manse, the lighting changes can only compensate for so much. + The game lasted me I think 90 hours, and I didn't even reach the endgame. There's a lot of bang for your buck in here. + The stories in general get better as you go through the game. There are some absolute belters by the time you hit the Chapter 4s, including some awful starts that get redeemed. - There are lots of side-stories, none of which I cared about. - The stories seem really quite disparate from each other. + They do link up, and when they do it's bloody excellent. - HOWEVER. The endgame is chuffing ridiculous. - Story-spoiler-free rant about the endgame:
From what I hear it has some really good content in, but to get to that, you'll need to: a) complete some apparently unimportant sidequests, none of which are flagged as key; b) complete more side-quests as a result: the game doesn't give you any clue where these lie, and they don't even all sit in the cities. Some take place in otherwise featureless bits of the overworld; c) grind at least ten levels from finishing the character stories to entering the final dungeon. In summary: bugger that for a game of Olberics.
6/10 Is that a recommendation? Yes, but it's a very conditional one. It's conditional on you (a) liking JRPGs - not tolerating them, but actively liking them; and (b) having 80+ hours to while away. You could play a whole lot of other Switch games in 80 hours, but if you're at a loose end and condition (a) applies, yes it's worth picking up at full price! |
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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
Posts : 24019 Points : 24420 Join date : 2013-01-18 Age : 34 Location : VITA Island
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Sun 11 Nov 2018 - 18:04 | |
| So did you beat all the story chapters for each character? As I would say you've finished it but not 100% completed, like beating the Elite Four / Last Bit of story in a Pokémon but not the end game (I'm certainly not doing Let's Go Master Trainer Thing). |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
Posts : 26468 Points : 25302 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 35 Location : Admintown
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Sun 11 Nov 2018 - 18:07 | |
| I did, but given the strong strong hints in the Chapter 4s to something bigger at work, and (frankly) the lack of punch when you finish each story bar your MC's, I didn't consider it finished.
Finishing's relative, natch. Some people'll only consider a game finished when they have every Trophychievement. (See: me, Smash Bros.) |
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
Posts : 15896 Points : 15061 Join date : 2013-01-21 Age : 31 Location : The Shibuya River
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Mon 12 Nov 2018 - 18:06 | |
| That's why I have a distinction between "beating" a game in that I've seen the credits/finished the story and "completing" a game in that I've rinsed it of all its content.
I think you've been a bit harsh on Octopath - it actively marketed itself towards classic JRPG fans through its visuals alone, so assuming that you'd need to enjoy JRPGs to get into this is a bit of a no-brainer, I'd say. And a lengthy playtime comes with the trappings of the genre too. I think there's some fair criticisms - some variety in the dungeons would be nice, and the writing isn't consistent - but the stuff that's really important in a JRPG, which I'd say would be the battling and the music, is done really well and I'd be hard pressed to score this anything less than an 8.
The endgame stuff is naturally for the tryhards and die-hards, so I don't see it as a negative that it's locked behind rinsing the game of its side content and is naturally hard as nails to boot. I see that as something that, again, comes with the territory. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
Posts : 26468 Points : 25302 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 35 Location : Admintown
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Mon 12 Nov 2018 - 18:19 | |
| - JayMoyles wrote:
- ...but the stuff that's really important in a JRPG, which I'd say would be the battling and the music...
PLAY BRAVELY DEFAULT FOR GOD'S SAKE Dunno if you'd be as keen on Second as I was though, the music takes a noticeable hit. For me, it's really the story that carries JRPGs, and that spent most of the game being variable in quality and detached-feeling; but it's not like the battle system blew me away. It was alright, mostly due to the Breaking system, but the BP stuff and the job system had been done better by the same team before (see previous paragraph). When I was most heavily enjoying the game, I was leaning towards a 7 for these and other reasons. I never considered giving it higher to be honest. I did, however, dock an entire mark due to the endgame. I completely disagree with the thrust of your last paragraph, because after completing the 8 adventures I felt unfulfilled and unsatisfied. If it had ended there I'd still have docked a mark for trailing miserably to a sluggish and unrewarding close. It felt like it needed that final battle to tie everything up in a neat bow, and by making it one for the die-hards and try-hards only it Brand's Thundered itself in the foot.
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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Mon 12 Nov 2018 - 18:21 | |
| Same like with RDR2 when I see the ending / credits then I've finished it but not 100% completed, then getting the Platinum / 1000g would be mastering if you went by Backloggery.
As you all know I play for the story that I'm happy with just having my cowboy adventure and finishing it. |
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
Posts : 15896 Points : 15061 Join date : 2013-01-21 Age : 31 Location : The Shibuya River
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Tue 13 Nov 2018 - 1:58 | |
| Perhaps I've been fortunate enough having played this before BD if that does that battling more justice - I couldn't say for sure, having not played it and all! I do own them but I own like 30 unplayed games with zero hyperbole involved, in fact I may be understating things... - Balladeer wrote:
I did, however, dock an entire mark due to the endgame. I completely disagree with the thrust of your last paragraph, because after completing the 8 adventures I felt unfulfilled and unsatisfied. If it had ended there I'd still have docked a mark for trailing miserably to a sluggish and unrewarding close. It felt like it needed that final battle to tie everything up in a neat bow, and by making it one for the die-hards and try-hards only it Brand's Thundered itself in the foot. I think that's where a difference of opinion will have to remain as I simply don't see it as anything more than a nice little optional ending. I think it'd be a different story had the game presented itself as a traditional JRPG where there was an overarching story from the word go, but Octopath is solely about each character's personal journey as opposed to a typical "save the world, beat the big bad" plotline. Mas: I can hardly blame you with RDR2 though - even I'm skipping a lot of the side stuff so I can say I've beaten it before going back to replay it as a white hat as opposed to a mean ol' outlaw and with more of a focus on rinsing the game fully, but I'd like to play some other games too this year so that'll have to wait. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
Posts : 26468 Points : 25302 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 35 Location : Admintown
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Tue 13 Nov 2018 - 20:55 | |
| Fair. I think for it to have felt nice and optional for me, the individual stories would have had to tie together a bit more than they did. Characters from one reappearing in others reasonably often, for example. Also I just like big ol' conclusions. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
Posts : 26468 Points : 25302 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 35 Location : Admintown
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Sun 10 Feb 2019 - 19:17 | |
| Today on Games You Haven't Finished (am I the only one who gives up on stuff? ), I'm going to be disappointing Jas, Jay, and... well pretty much nobody else, to be fair. - THE MESSENGER:
This game isn't for me, and I struggle to see how the first half (at least) is for anyone. Part of it's the graphics, sure, and that's for me alone - my dislike of pixel art is well-documented (although I've also picked up Hyper Light Drifter again, and that is a looker ). But it's also the gameplay, the enemy design, the level design, the humour that isn't, the way enemies respawn pretty much instantly when you let them out of your sight... The bosses are good stuff, and the music is hummable, although 'excellent' seems to be the current baseline for 2D indie platformer/Metroidvania soundtracks. I've given this three hours or so, which for an indie platformer ought to feel like I've played enough to make a decision on it. With Messenger, I know that I haven't played enough to let it play its trump card. But it plays that card too late, and isn't good enough until then, for me to get there. I know that Jas really likes this game, and I reckon the likes of Jimbob and Cappa would probably get something out of its retro platform stylee. Whether they'd forgive the game's other shortcomings is another matter entirely.
- THE WORLD ENDS WITH YOU:
The problem with the Switch/eShop's frenetic release schedule (the best kind of problem) is that I don't have time to play as many games as I'd like. As such, I'd like most of the games that I play to be new ones. If I'm playing a port or remaster of a game I've played before, I want that game to be an absolute belter. The World Ends With You was good, perhaps even a belter back in the day; but it also struggles more than most being remade. It was a posterchild for the DS' bunch of innovative mid-budget games: it used the touchscreen and two screens to create a battle system no other game had before, threw out RPG staples like random battles, and threw in a quirky plot for good measure. Now, we know the plot twists, we know the battle system. They're both still good, but they've not got that spark of freshness that elevated the original TWEWY above its competition. If you're into JRPGs and for some reason didn't play the original (or the iPhone port), and haven't had the story spoiled, I would still recommend picking it up. It's still unique, apart from earlier versions of itself. And if I had less games to get through, I'd probably play it; so unlike The Messenger, I'm keeping it around. I can't see myself being in that position for the foreseeable future, though. Plus, the stylus I bought to play it has scratched up my screen protector something rotten.
- MARIO TENNIS ACES:
Aces isn't not good, like The Messenger (my opinion #donotsteal); or a remake, like TWEWY. It's just... eh. I wanted to give it another go to see if the updates had made it into the world-beater it could have been, and yes, Adventure Mode has gone from annoyance to reasonably fun with the addition of a 'retry' option. But that's all it is: reasonably fun. Once I've stopped playing, I have no desire to start again. The updates haven't done enough for local multiplayer, either: why can't I pick the number of sets? Why not? That's ridiculous! Of the three, I suppose I'm likeliest to pick this up again. It is new and reasonably fun, and in the Wii U era that would probably have been enough to keep me playing. This isn't the Wii U era, thank goodness.
Tune in next time when I'll try Sonic Mania and Gris and call them both 'mediocre', thus further increasing my Disappointed Forumites Ratio.
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The_Jaster Din
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| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Sun 10 Feb 2019 - 19:39 | |
| Tbh I saw that coming with The Messenger and even though I think you haven't given it enough time I understand deciding to stop playing a game especially when Switch has tonnes to offer. I still think it's a gem of a game and one of the best on Switch. |
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Buskalilly Galactic Nova
Posts : 15082 Points : 15260 Join date : 2013-02-25 Age : 34 Location : Nagano
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Mon 11 Feb 2019 - 9:18 | |
| - Balladeer wrote:
- Tune in next time when I'll try Sonic Mania and Gris and call them both 'mediocre', thus further increasing my Disappointed Forumites Ratio.
You'd be correct. |
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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
Posts : 24019 Points : 24420 Join date : 2013-01-18 Age : 34 Location : VITA Island
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Mon 11 Feb 2019 - 10:24 | |
| - Drunkalilly wrote:
- Balladeer wrote:
- Tune in next time when I'll try Sonic Mania and Gris and call them both 'mediocre', thus further increasing my Disappointed Forumites Ratio.
You'd be correct. He's always been a disappointment |
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Buskalilly Galactic Nova
Posts : 15082 Points : 15260 Join date : 2013-02-25 Age : 34 Location : Nagano
| Subject: Re: Last game you DIDN'T finish and your thoughts Mon 11 Feb 2019 - 10:27 | |
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