GAMING NEWS PART DEUX

Yep so gaming news keeps coming on, with the N64 turning 18 years old in Japan. Drunka better take it out for some drinks now.

Balla will love this

Yep, we've known about Nintendo going with shared architecture for a while. That's one way to kill droughts.

Fine with some games doing that. Just as long as they don't run away with the stupid idea to make one console that does both.

It's not stupid though it makes great business sense or make two and have something like apple that it can run on both but will work better on one over the other depending what it is.

Satoru Iwata won't be able to attend the shareholder's meeting because he had a growth removed from his bile duct.

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In general, it is said that a bile duct growth can be difficult-to-treat, partly because of the difficulty of detecting it early. In my case, luckily, it was detected very early and I had no symptoms.
I was counseled that removal at an early stage would be the desirable medical option. Therefore I had surgery last week, and I came through it well, as predicted.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/stock/meeting/140627/index.html

Pleased it went well. It makes me want to send a Get Well Soon card.

Who wouldn't want to send Iwata a "get well soon" card? He's adorable.

If the shareholder meeting hasn't gone well this time, after that E3 and MK8's release, I don't know what will.

masofdas wrote:

It's not stupid though it makes great business sense or make two and have something like apple that it can run on both but will work better on one over the other depending what it is.

I don't like the idea of having something that runs better on one than on something else. I'd rather wait until the tech is good enough that you wouldn't have to entirely nerf one version of a game just for the sake of saying it's playable on both.

I'm with the Balls Man on this. Two consoles please, and only have a game running on both if it works well.

Yeah let's send him one.

See my view is that Nintendos audience is cut in 1/2 let's take Jay he's buying a 3DS not a WiiU (he might eventually) and will miss the great game's on that & viceversa if he bought the U not a 3DS. Also Andy brought up in the E3 thread the 3DS seems to have a bit of a drought, and looks like Nintendo teams are focusing on the WiiU. So if the teams had one system to delvop for there wouldn't be a drought or focus on one over the other.

On the tech, it depends on how powerful you want but look at the VITA it's been out 2 year's. So the tech is a good few years old and that's running (not well) borderlands 2 a PS3 game.

So imagine what you could do with the tech now, you might be able to get a PS3 game run decent, so in a few years time like holiday 2016 you might push for that or better for the Nintendo Fusion.

Only problem I can see is if it's too powerful will it sell if expensive and will 3rd party support it if it seems underpowered to the PS4ONE even though it would be more of a handheld then a console.

I think its going to be like the iPad/iPod Touch/iPhone situation. Buy games on one device, play them on another, plus it allows Nintendo to introduce new hardware formats sooner. Of course, there will still be exclusive games, in the same way some apps require an iPad...

Sometimes, Mas, it sounds to me like you're more concerned with the financial situation than you are with the quality of the stuff produced.  I can see the positives for Nintendo's bank book of having a handheld that you can slot into your TV - I can't see what the positives on the gaming side are.  Instead, I can see games being a horrid compromise of handheld and home console experiences, instead of being designed for one with the tech. in mind.  

You say yourself that the Vita, a much better handheld from a tech. perspective than the 3DS, is struggling to run PS3 games.  Last generation software.  Nintendo's tech. isn't as advanced as Sony's, that's pretty obvious, and trying to focus on it would stop them innovating in other areas, as they pour their R&D into power.  So using your idea, we're looking at a next-gen. home console that can run last-gen. home console games.  Two generations behind instead of one, and nothing new (like the gamepad) to show for it; or alternatively, massive R&D spend that will be passed through to the consumer.  Whoopee.

Some games work better on handhelds, some on home consoles, and it'll be better for gamers if the appropriate games are developed for each, rather than some horrible hybrid. And with that, I'm leaving that topic.

There will be some games that work on both, though, especially those designed for the 3DS that are upscaled to the Wii U.  Which brings us back to the decision that Nintendo have actually made!

re: the handheld debate going on above - I was prattling on about my gaming situation in the Admintendo comments, and the two things I'm really feeling I'm lacking are a) Nintendo games and b) handheld games. The Vita does not appeal to me in the slightest because besides one or two titles, it feels like a PS3. The 3DS feels like a handheld console.

Yes the VITA is struggling with a PS3 game but it's running what 4 year old tech the VITA (got to think it was in development for a good few years & it's 2 year's old).  The fusion if it came out in 2016 you would be running at WiiU type specs.

Nintendo make quality games,  so can't see that being an issue.  And it would be more of a handheld then a console,  and does it matter if it feels two generations behind if it's running wiiu game's as they will still look good & have excellent gameplay.  

The innovative would be that it's a advanced handheld that connects to your TV as well.

Yes I'm thinking financially Nintendos money won't last for ever and I don't want Nintendo to go the way of SEGA. So if they make something that makes sense to play all there great game's seems a good idea to me. But that might also come from my retail background I think of it in a business way.

But if they come up with ideas like Axis said that's a start but not like what there doing with SMASH though more like NES remix should be on both & pay once like you do with PS3/4/VITA crosscut.

Not sure what CVG AC is balla.

The VITA to me is the place to niche jap stuff as it does feel like a console, if it could connect straight to a TV not using VITA TV. That could be good.

I disagree with pretty much everything you've said in that post (apart from not wanting Nintendo to go the way of Sega, but they won't anyway), so let's leave it there.

So you disagree Nintendo makes great game's   

How do you know they won't do a Sega, I'm not saying it's going to happen tomorrow but 20-30 years time who knows.

balla wrote:

Some games work better on handhelds, some on home consoles, and it'll be better for gamers if the appropriate games are developed for each, rather than some horrible hybrid. And with that, I'm leaving that topic

I couldn't agree more with this.

Jay wrote:

The Vita does not appeal to me in the slightest because besides one or two titles, it feels like a PS3.

Also agree with this.

I'd also argue that this is one reason why its sales have been abysmal & I feel any hybrid console/handheld would suffer the same fate as there'd be no way to differentiate what game would be suitable for a handheld experience or what would be a console experience so it'd end up one way and in my book that wouldn't be for the best.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. We all want Nintendo to do well etc but got different views on how it should.

I suspect Nintendo have a better idea of how to manage their finances than we do.

I'd also point out that Nintendo try to build games around the hardware. I'm wary of them dividing their resources to different systems with completely different hardware.

When it comes to playing VC games on both home consoles and handhelds, though, I think you should only have to buy a game once. For example, both the 3DS and Wii U can run GBA games. Why aren't they released on both platforms and tied to your NNID?

Aye, there's no reason at all that VC games shouldn't be linked to an NNID.

(I never say "aye" in real life, but I've taken a lot of Scottishisms into my posting from this place. Look out for me calling Kaz Hirai a dobber at some point soon.)

Rum Rapture wrote:

When it comes to playing VC games on both home consoles and handhelds, though, I think you should only have to buy a game once. For example, both the 3DS and Wii U can run GBA games. Why aren't they released on both platforms and tied to your NNID?

I agree with that- I tend not to when it comes to people saying the same thing about new software- often that involves going across providers and the simple fact is lots of new software isn't going to work out of the box because the other hardware simply isn't up to snuff or it requires certain features unique to that device, but when it comes to emulation those points become moot.

What's the situation with PSone games if you've got them off PSNetwork? Can you play those across Vita and PS3/4?

Yeah on PS3 & VITA you can play ps1 & 2 game's on either and only need to buy once. PS4 doesn't have it but will have PSNOW for that. But Flower for instance you buy once works on all three of Sony's systems.

Yep I'd have no problems with a cross-buy feature for VC games but I just don't see how one system only would help them, also not sure if I said this here or elsewhere but I'd see it as more of a risk than what they are currently doing.

You did say it Jas in part 1 of the news. But Nintendo shouldn't have to rely on one system selling well if the other doesn't.

masofdas wrote:

You did say it Jas in part 1 of the news.  But Nintendo shouldn't have to rely on one system selling well if the other doesn't.

You might have already answered this, but what if they only had one system and that didn't sell well - and they didn't have a buffer from a successful second console?

Well that's one thing I don't really know, but no company should have to rely on something else to make money if another thing doesn't.

Like I've said it should be the replacement for the 3DS and should be well priced & marketed correctly for a start with decent launch line up.

masofdas wrote:

it should be well priced & marketed correctly for a start with decent launch line up.

It's lucky we have you around for insightful comments like that