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Athrun888 Sheegoth
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| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Wed 16 Dec 2015 - 10:26 | |
| Yep, I did. It was actually pretty pain free, although I did wait a couple of hours after the direct. He's a pretty fun addition to the roster, feels completely different from the other sword users and has his own game to play with the limit break feature. |
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The_Jaster Din
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| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Wed 16 Dec 2015 - 15:43 | |
| - The Cappuccino Kid wrote:
"Smashing!" Ooh that glare that Samus is giving Bayonetta there, what a dream match up that is as well. |
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Buskalilly Galactic Nova
Posts : 15082 Points : 15260 Join date : 2013-02-25 Age : 34 Location : Nagano
| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Wed 16 Dec 2015 - 17:24 | |
| Ganondorf is totally taking a selfie there. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
Posts : 26468 Points : 25302 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 35 Location : Admintown
| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Wed 16 Dec 2015 - 18:29 | |
| Alright, I've got an idea for a game! We now know the full roster of Smash characters, so: if you were allowed to get rid of 5 characters, and include 5 others characters, who'd you pick? And to keep things even, you're only allowed to exchange third-party for third-party and Nintendo for Nintendo. Here's my list: - Chop:
Dr. Mario - No more clones! Dark Pit - No more clones! Lucina - No more clones! Also one less FE swordperson. Cloud - Another anime swordperson, who also has no ties to Nintendo at all. Roy - By far the hardest choice, but he's another FE swordman who adds very little. At least new bloke looks vaguely interesting.
Dishonourable mentions to Ryu and the Mii Fighters.
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Ridley - The Metroid series is under-represented. King K. Rool - The DK series is under-represented, and he's the most interesting of the more iconic characters. Krystal - The Starfox series is under-represented, and Wolf's too close to Fox. Inkling - Would be a lot of fun. Phoenix Wright - Long Nintendo history. Would be a brilliant fighter.
Honourable mention to Prof. Layton.
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
Posts : 15896 Points : 15061 Join date : 2013-01-21 Age : 31 Location : The Shibuya River
| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Wed 16 Dec 2015 - 19:48 | |
| Yeah, let's give this a bash. - Cut:
Lucina - She is basically Marth, and Fire Emblem is over-represented. Roy - As much as I like the changes made to him, he's still a clone and Fire Emblem does not need six characters. Dark Pit - Dr Mario - Clone, and a pointless one at that. Get him gone. And I'm going to cheat a little bit here and say Ganondorf in his current form. You'll see why below!
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Ganondorf, but with his own moveset. They're getting there with each installment, but they need to distance him from Captain Falcon. Ganon doesn't deserve the clone treatment - he's one of Nintendo's biggest baddies! I like what Brawl mod Project M did with Ganondorf over here.
Ridley - No more excuses Sakurai.
King K. Rool - I think he'd be a cool inclusion. Kremlings and cannonballs!
Wolf - I liked Wolf. He was different enough from Fox and I enjoyed playing as him.
Toad - I want to beat up a Toad.
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Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Wed 16 Dec 2015 - 21:09 | |
| - Slice:
Marth I don't like clones, but I do like Lucina! Dr. Mario Dumb clone. Not really even another character, surely? Just Mario with an MD. Dark Pit There is LITERALLY A DARK PIT SKIN FOR PIT. Urgh, stupid character choice! Cloud I know he's much-requested, and might hint at a future Nintendo FF release, but... come on, he hasn't even been on a Nintendo. Villager See my nexrt bit...
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Kraid The Metroid series is under-represented, and this would be a hilarious troll to everybody who wanted Ridley. Inkling The best new Nintendo character in ages, plus they'd add variety by being about as far from a bloke with a sword as one can get. Medusa I understand Sakurai wanting lots of KI:U characters, but anyting is better than a clone. Plus, villains are good. Snake He's been on Nintendo machines and the fact that he didn't fit into Smash is what made him so perfect. Luke Instead of the generic Animal Crossing villagers we got, I'd have liked something which can be tied to an Animal Crossing save file. They're basically just different shirts and colours anyway, so it should be doable!
- Balladeer wrote:
- Dishonourable mentions to Ryu and the Mii Fighters.
Shockers! Ryu is famously associated with the Super Nintendo, and makes sense in the game. As for Mii fighters, they're not my favourites but I don't think Miis can be missed out of a game like this at this point! |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Wed 16 Dec 2015 - 22:26 | |
| I wouldn't actually mind Kraid - anything to get more Metroid representation. Ridley just seems more likely to appear at vaguely human-size, and a floaty power character would be fun.
Also I've played as Cloud now. Limit Break's nice, but really... he's just another anime swordsman. Albeit in the bulkier Link-like mould. |
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The_Jaster Din
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| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Thu 17 Dec 2015 - 0:17 | |
| Here we go. - Cut:
Robin - It's an avatar not a character. Corrin - cool looking move set aside it's the same as above. Dr Mario - Not a fan of clones either Dark Pit - He's just lame.
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Cap'n Cuttlefish - While the inklings would be nice they break the avatar rule I mention above. Judd the cat - You got the Cap'n you have to have his cat as well. Chibi-robo - He at least has to be in a good game, right? Sylux - If Mr Sakurai is sticking to his guns over Ridley then Samus' actual bounty hunter rival is a perfect choice. (He'd probably need to have a solid showing in MP4 to get a bit more clout behind him though)
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Athrun888 Sheegoth
Posts : 3618 Points : 3665 Join date : 2013-01-26 Location : Holiday Bunker
| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Thu 17 Dec 2015 - 3:27 | |
| Taking the - To:
-Marth Skin (aka Lucina)
Do we need this taking up a slot? No, no we don't, and Marth gets Pikachu and Mario priority over Waifu Marth.
-Inferior Cloud (aka Link, or Shulk, take your pick)
Both these guys have been trying to steal the Anime Swordsman's limelight for ages. With his inclusion they are now redundant, and we have Toon Link for differential purposes.
-Ganondorf (aka Captain Falcon: Triforce of Power Edition)
Being a clone might have been acceptable back in Melee, but since then Ganondorf has shown unique fighting styles in every appearance. And to add insult to injury absolutely none of his fighting styles even resembles Falcon's.
-Villager (aka most boring character to play as)
There are characters from Animal Crossing that should be on the roster. This avatar ain't one of them.
-Jigglypuff (aka Inferior Kirby)
My tag sums up my feelings really. Only unlike Luigi and Roy she hasn't moved on from her clone days.
And I'll be - the following:
-Ganondorf: Mage Edition
Ah, now this is more like it. A magic based moveset. Swords would be obvious, but I think at this point we've got enough of those, and Ganondorf is an acomplished magic user so lets get unique!
-Ray MKIII
Every game sees a new little known older IP, Custom Robo had an assist trophy in Brawl, well, lets see that expanded on and turned in to a unique roster addition instead!
-Lightning Farron
For the sake of uniqueness she'd be using Odin's Gungnir to fight rather than the Gunblade. Between that and her comboable magic system she's make a good representation of gamings premier RPG series future days!
-Mr. Resetti
Bags of personality this guy would make an excellent rep for Animal Crossing while still having a unique moveset, and good comedy factor!
-Wolf
#freewolf
Can you guess which are the joke ones? And no, Wolf ain't the joke add. Also tried to stay away from being too predictable with the adds and cuts, outside the aforementioned Wolf and a certain someone in the cut list. Further plays with Cloud and I'm loving what they've done. Not only have they proven they can ( somehow) still make a unique character whose combat style is almost entirely sword strikes, but - Semi-competitive jargon:
they've brought a perfect balance to heavy strikes. Love his airial attacks with the weird hit-boxes like his forward air which can even meteor people in the air or smash them if they're landed. His neutral air is reminiscent of Shulk's f-air too, which I like. Limit break is sweet too as it forces the player to think whether they want to be able to use special moves for spacing or have the stat buff.
I wanted to bash his inclusion because of my anti-ffvii bias, I really did, but he's just too darn fun to play as! And the use of his Japanese voice means none of that emo nonsense from ac either! ofc, now I have the troubles signing in to Nintendo Network, the day after the release when I want to go back to Xenoblade and do squad missions. Nintendo, get non-garbage servers. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Thu 17 Dec 2015 - 9:07 | |
| - Balladeer wrote:
- And to keep things even, you're only allowed to exchange third-party for third-party and Nintendo for Nintendo.
Also, you'd kick Villager out over Dark Pit? That's got to be a joke, surely? |
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The Cappuccino Kid Mani Mani Statue
Posts : 6742 Points : 6905 Join date : 2013-02-25 Age : 105 Location : East of Mombasa
| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Thu 17 Dec 2015 - 10:41 | |
| Cut- Spoiler:
Any five Fire Emblem characters. Take your pick. You'd still have one left, so no complaints.
Add- Spoiler:
Solid Snake - Brilliant fun in Brawl. Travis Touchdown - A great character who should be used throughout games more often. Paper Mario - More than a clone, a very distinctive character in itself. Reggie - Should be in! Everyone would love it. Buska's Villager idea - Really smart!
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Thu 17 Dec 2015 - 10:48 | |
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Athrun888 Sheegoth
Posts : 3618 Points : 3665 Join date : 2013-01-26 Location : Holiday Bunker
| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Thu 17 Dec 2015 - 10:53 | |
| I'd more than happily see Edge Pit over Sir Campsalot, yes! |
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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
Posts : 24018 Points : 24418 Join date : 2013-01-18 Age : 34 Location : VITA Island
| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Thu 17 Dec 2015 - 11:04 | |
| Great idea Balla - Out:
Dr Mario, He's a boring clone
Ike or Roy I sooner have Lucina & Marth even if one is a clone but one is sort my first sort of big FE character and the other is the most iconic of the series, maybe just tweak one of them. I do think there is still to many FE characters though same with Pokemon which to me should be one pokemon from each generation if your doing that many
Dark Pit Clone and Pit has a palette swap of him
Shulk He looks cool and all that but I've got no attachment to him
Lucas Similar to Shulk as I've not played Mother 3 and it doesn't look I will anytime soon
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Ghirahim Because more Zelda is always good
Isaac Anime Swordsman for anime swordsman but it baffles me why Golden Sun isn't represented in the game
Medusa Going to agree with Drunka here
Calista Shulk I wasn't sure about replacing with a 3rd party but as it's more 2nd party, I've gone for Calista from TLS over Zael from the game as she will be less anime swordswoman with her magic etc, think similar to FE's Robin
Mike Jones to come in for Lucas just for the retro weird character factor
I can think of more I would add and maybe take out like my one Pokemon from each gen idea, more Zelda characters, well known 3rd party that make sense like a Bomberman for instance
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Thu 17 Dec 2015 - 11:58 | |
| - Athrun888 wrote:
-Jigglypuff (aka Inferior Kirby)
My tag sums up my feelings really. Only unlike Luigi and Roy she hasn't moved on from her clone days. Eh? I agree with your other choices but Jiggs is anything but a clone. The only thing she shares is the floaty jump Kirby has. Roy is still more of a clone than her. Heck, Luigi's still more of a clone than Jiggs. Also, mage Ganon is a top idea. Imagine smacking his magic back at him and having a tennis rally mid match. |
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Jimbob Bargain Hunter
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| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Thu 17 Dec 2015 - 20:12 | |
| I stick with what I previously said about these things... any new character from another franchise is good - I know Cloud's not a Nintendo character, but Smash is basically Ninty's ode to all things good and game-y. So I'm quite happy with him being in there. And Bayonetta (although watch PEGI shit themselves). But I didn't think they'd add another fucking Fire Emblem character! I hate whiny internet fanboys who don't get what they want - I certainly don't think I know better - but FFS! Half the characters now in Smash Bros. are the same person as far as my old man eyes can tell. Oh right - everyone else is talking about something else now. Er... - Chuck Out:
Any 3 Fire Emblem characters - I appreciate how popular Fire Emblem is, and it has its roots deep in Nintendo history, and I agree that there definitely should be some. But they... they're all anime swordpeople who... are... I don't know! Er... let's keep Marth because he was the first, and Robin because he/she has a magic ability. So let's boot out Lucina as he's Marth again, this new guy, and then toss a coin for the other two. Dark Pit - It's just Pit. Zero Suit Samus - doesn't really behave like Samus; plus the whole Zero Suit thing never really goes well with
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Micaiah - Aha! It's another Fire Emblem character! Even I know enough about Fire Emblem series to know that she's kind of unique. And she has a widdle birdie! Chibi-Robo - because he deserves a break after the last game Ashley - Promote her from the Assist Trophies please! Ameterasu -Because you should know why. Siegmeyer from Dark Souls - because if Cloud can get in...
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Athrun888 Sheegoth
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| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Thu 17 Dec 2015 - 20:38 | |
| Jiggles entire moveset is almost entirely cloned from Kirby. Same down, forward, and up tilts, same forward and down smash, and the same down air. Her back air is also extremely similar to Kriby's, only she does a back kick while Kirby uses both feet.
If Roy and Luigi are clones then so is Jiggles, all three were designed as clones and any cases to be made that make them clones also make her a clone. Honestly the only reason she feels less one is because of how Kirby has evolved, she's still the exact same character she was in 64 and Melee, and she remains a character I profoundly dislike playing as. |
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Treesmurf Dry Metal Baby Princess
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| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Sat 19 Dec 2015 - 12:26 | |
| Late direct reaction - Well at least Corrin is an advertisement for a game on a Nintendo platform unlike Cloud. Thought Bayonetta was a brilliant inclusion but they've really missed a trick not including Inklings, they'd work so well. |
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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Sat 19 Dec 2015 - 12:33 | |
| They did say why Cloud is in, though . |
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Treesmurf Dry Metal Baby Princess
Posts : 4204 Points : 4206 Join date : 2013-01-17 Age : 34 Location : Manneh
| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Sat 19 Dec 2015 - 12:36 | |
| All I seem to remember behind the reasoning is people asked for him, if that criteria is good enough then where the heck is Shrek? |
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Dead Lemon FMK Tagline
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| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Sat 19 Dec 2015 - 14:13 | |
| Another Fire Emblem character is just taking the piss now. Also a little annoyed it's three humanoid characters added, must be easier to make than more unique looking characters.
As for Balla's game:
Oot: Dr Mario - pointless clone Lucina - clone and too many FE reps Robin - another FE character Dark Pit - clone Cloud - better suited 3rd party characters
In: Ice Climbers - bring 'em back K Rool - DK rep and another villain. Lots of potential for moves based on his differing appearances in the DKC series Dr Crygor - more worthy than Ashley as a WarioWare character Ridley - natch Simon Belmont or Bomberman - better links to Nintendo than Cloud and gaming icons.
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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Sat 19 Dec 2015 - 15:35 | |
| - Treesmurf wrote:
- All I seem to remember behind the reasoning is people asked for him, if that criteria is good enough then where the heck is Shrek?
I gather Shrek wasn't a realisable character unlike a Final Fantasy character, which they said people asked for Final Fantasy characters and Cloud is who we got from the series. Is he the best FF character nah but the most well known yes and if Square are going to allow a FF character in then Cloud for them makes a lot of sense as you can buy FFVII on smart devices, steam, ps4, ps3 & vita and the remake is coming or they could of put in Noctis from FFXV. But everyone is a winner as Nintendo please fans by putting in a Final Fantasy character and Square get free advertising. |
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ZeroJones I'M SO LONELY
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| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Sun 20 Dec 2015 - 0:35 | |
| Know that I had a version of this reply about four characters (that's Smash characters, and not, y'know, letters) in and my hudl hiccuped and ruddy lost it all. - Put in detention:
1) Pac-Man, purely because I don't like him. Yeah, I'm getting personal right from the off. 2) Dark Pit, purely because clone. I was excited when I unlocked him; playing as him brought nothing new to the table. Nothing. 3) Dr. Mario, purely because see above. Give his coat to Mario as an alternative costume. 4) Roy, purely because Fire Emblem has become overrepresented and, well, last in, first out (Corrin will be last in but isn't yet, in my head). 5) Robin, because Lucina should stay, as she's female.
- Put up a year:
1) Toad, because it's about time. Captain Toad/Toadette/Toadsworth alt costumes, at least. 2) Paper Mario, because he could be made a very cool fighter with plenty of interesting mechanics from his adventures down the ages. 3) Inkling(s), because Nintendo should be doing their best to capture the zeitgeist before Spla2n. 4) Ice Climbers, because Dead Lemon is right. 5) Shovel Knight, because I am disappointed I won't get to play as him.
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Athrun888 Sheegoth
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| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Sun 20 Dec 2015 - 0:37 | |
| I've been doing some thinking about the Fire Emblem thing, and I'm starting to think it makes more sense than would normally apply. Fire Emblem has always had a intimate relationship with Smash, as Melee was what literally put it on the map in the west.
Now that Fire Emblem has achieved commercial success as a worldwide IP, given its origins with Smash, it honestly only makes sense they'd double down. Not to mention if they blew Inklings now what are they going to announce to hype the next Smash? Corrin?
As for Cloud, don't be even remotely surprised if this is happening because Nintendo gets the remake. We know a new Nintendo system is on the horizon so I wouldn't rule it out being a form of advertising. |
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Sun 20 Dec 2015 - 1:46 | |
| - ZeroJones wrote:
5) Robin, because Lucina should stay, as she's female. Technically, so is Robin. |
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