Wrestling Discussion Thread II

That would be amazing! They could also do the sneaky thing of fighting eachother in the first couple of rounds and just lying down, so Big E goes through without having to fight.

Drunkalilly wrote:

In the of chance Bryan does ever come back, he'll be midcard for a long ass time.

which is no less than the boring useless skinny beardy tosser deserves.

I can't even begin to tell you how much I disagree with this opinion.

As for Survivor Series, I hope a heel takes it too, or we get a heel turn in the finals like The Rock in 1998.

Drunkalilly wrote:

That would be amazing! They could also do the sneaky thing of fighting eachother in the first couple of rounds and just lying down, so Big E goes through without having to fight.

Exactly! Also Kofi & Xavier would still be free to defend their tag titles as well.

I'm mostly joking when I hate on D-Bry. I do think he's overrated, and his fans wind me up like nobody's business because they tend to hate Cena but want Bryan to be a perfect face who always wins. But I was just as excited as everyone else at mania 30.

As I sometimes do, I was watching the weekly highlights of RAW on the WWE's YouTube channel, and caught the end of Dean Ambrose Vs. Tyler Breeze, New Day Vs. Usos & Neville and Dolph Ziggler Vs. The Miz. I was really surprised by the quietness of the audience - UK wrestling fans are usually quite rowdy and up for it. I was wondering why the crowd couldn't be heard. It wasn't until 4:44 of this video that I got my answer.



The dirty bastards. I watched enough SmackDown from 2002 to 2004 to know that exact fake crowd noise from anywhere - they've edited it!

Yup they did & Cesaro probably got his crowd reactions cut the most not to mention the entire block behind the commentators had Cesaro section signs but it was never fully shown. (I only know this because of RTs I seen on twitter)

From watching Raw, it did look like most of the fans were like us - 25 to 35 year old blokes who grew up with the Attitude Era stuff. I got the impression Triple H enjoyed his reaction and in turn, his promo was a good 'un. They HAVE to turn Roman at Survivor Series, he's not over at all. We'll just end up with another John Cena scenario whereby the ladies and kids love him, but the men (and the most vocal) are going to be booing.

The rest of the show was cool - I liked the Rooney/Barratt segment. Wade Barratt should be main eventing, or at least in the picture. Loved his work in Nexus five years ago. Just wish he'd stop with the excessive gruff voice he puts on.

Neville I just don't get. He's Evan Bourne part 2.

New Day were brilliant as ever.

Did anyone else find the Kane/Taker stuff a bit panto? It was almost TOO formulaic. Throwing Braun Stroman over a table is good enough to keep him down? Imagine that was done because he's too big for the Brothers of Destruction to Tombstone.

The Cappuccino Kid wrote:

The dirty bastards - they've edited it!

In their defence, British fans are all dickheads.

gjones wrote:

They HAVE to turn Roman at Survivor Series, he's not over at all. We'll just end up with another John Cena scenario whereby the ladies and kids love him, but the men (and the most vocal) are going to be booing.

Reigns, Ambrose and Rollins have the potential to be the new Rock, Austin and HHH. All they need to do is give it a real back-and-forth thing with which one's the heel and which is the face. Ambrose and Reigns need to feud, then Rollins come back face but sort of betray them, then Ambrose goes Heel and Reigns is face again and so on. They need to keep moving, they can't just be two mates and their whiny ex-bestie forever.

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Wade Barratt should be main eventing

He's just too unreliable; they won't risk the belt on someone who's injured so often. Same reason we won't see another Bryan title reign.

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Neville I just don't get. He's Evan Bourne part 2.

He's muscly and jumps good. I like him.

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New Day were brilliant as ever.

Agreef.

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Did anyone else find the Kane/Taker stuff a bit panto?

A little, but I enjoy seeing the Brothers of Destruction back together again anyway.

gjones wrote:

From watching Raw, it did look like most of the fans were like us - 25 to 35 year old blokes who grew up with the Attitude Era stuff. I got the impression Triple H enjoyed his reaction and in turn, his promo was a good 'un. They HAVE to turn Roman at Survivor Series, he's not over at all. We'll just end up with another John Cena scenario whereby the ladies and kids love him, but the men (and the most vocal) are going to be booing.

To the bit in bold: I can only disagree with that bit as he is over as it's only a minority that boo him & for no good reason I may add, like with John Cena WWE will just use that to their advantage & if he was to turn the folk who boo him would now cheer him which means nothing would change.

I agree with drunka that it's Ambrose that has to turn heel because as much as his in ring work is still good that character is just boring, they say he's a lunatic but when have we seen him flip out & have everyone question his actions? Going forward I think Reigns and Ambrose should be the top face & heel.

The_Jaster wrote:

gjones wrote:

From watching Raw, it did look like most of the fans were like us - 25 to 35 year old blokes who grew up with the Attitude Era stuff. I got the impression Triple H enjoyed his reaction and in turn, his promo was a good 'un. They HAVE to turn Roman at Survivor Series, he's not over at all. We'll just end up with another John Cena scenario whereby the ladies and kids love him, but the men (and the most vocal) are going to be booing.

To the bit in bold: I can only disagree with that bit as he is over as it's only a minority that boo him & for no good reason I may add, like with John Cena WWE will just use that to their advantage & if he was to turn the folk who boo him would now cheer him which means nothing would change.

I think Reigns is a natural heel. He's a good babyface, but not the type of babyface that's easy to root for, as he's booked as an unbeatable superman monster and I don't think that flies well these days. Some of the answers he's given in interviews - one comes to mind where he says that he doesn't care if he's getting a negative reaction so long as he's making bank - make me feel he'd do well as a heel. But I hope they don't align him with the Authority if they do turn him. Have him grow frustrated that he can't beat Deano in a potential Survivor Series final and have him cheat to win.

I actually really like what they've been doing with Reigns; setting him up as a superman but never actually letting him win anything. I think he'll have heel turns, and so will Ambrose, just as Rollins will do a spot of face work. I don't think it's time to go that way yet, though. Dean needs to go proper heel crazy, and Reigns can be Cena while John is on holiday.

Rollins will be turning face when he comes back - I'd be shocked if that wasn't the case.

How good would it be if they didn't turn Reigns or Ambrose, and instead had a crack at creating some new stars? That would be class.

You guys seen the rumors that WWE are in talks with the phenomenal one AJ Styles who's contract runs out in January, that would be so good if true with Samoa Joe already over and James Storm as a free agent (from what I gather). Now only if they could get Booby Rhode, Austin Aries and Eric Young all would be good.

The Cappuccino Kid wrote:

How good would it be if they didn't turn Reigns or Ambrose, and instead had a crack at creating some new stars? That would be class.

I don't think Reigns or Ambrose are at the level of "star" that they're looking for. They're looking for someone to replace Cena at the top.

Mas: I'd be very surprised if AJ left NJPW. He's paid well there and treated like a main eventer.

He's looking for the best overall package allegedly, maybe his family want to be in the states again who knows.

Doubt it's being in the States - his schedule is very light in NJPW compared to what a WWE schedule is like.

The whole thing reeks of a Reigns/Ambrose showdown with one of the 2 joining the Authority, they've already teased it with Roman and Ambrose turning heel would be the real shock moment. I hate how they teased Ziggler as a possible winner with him lifting the belt (or maybe that was all him in the moment) because it's just setting us up for disappointment again.

I'd love a shock Ziggler win!
I want one of them to turn heel, but not Authority. Ambrose is supposed to be unstable, so if he wants the belt he can be a dick about it.

It's been ten years since the death of Eddie Guerrero. What a super talent he was. Just an unreal worker and such entertainment too - he was the whole package. Equally as adapt at being a crowd favourite as he was a rule breaker, for me Eddie Guerrero is always right up there with Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin and Kurt Angle as being the best all-rounder in WWE history.

His death was unbelievable. I was absolutely gutted when I found it, and I was totally deflated by it for days after.



Just one of the best ever.

Eddie was such an amazing talent. Check out some of his matches with Rey in WCW - unbelievable stuff.

Drunka and I just attended WWE Live at Minehead with some lads over the weekend (well, drunka is still there I have work tomorrow at 8:30).

It was my first live wrestling event, and it was bloody good. We had seats very close to the front, and all of the matches were at least good, with a few being absolutely top drawer.

The Lucha Dragons were incredible, and the Wyatt Family vs Ryback and the Uso's was a brilliant back and forth match up too. Sandow, or should I say Sandango, was on top form too.

Reigns and Bray absolutely stole the show in a no holds barred main event though, but then I'm biased because Reigns was about a foot away from us during his entrance.

Nothing else like live wrestling eh? I just got back about a half hour ago from ICW fear & loathing VIII at the SECC, it was just phenomenal especially in the main event where the crowd didn't stop chanting from the moment Grado came out to until the 3 count that ended the match & then it ramped up a few more notches.

Once again if ICW are in your town go see them & if not sub to the on demand service.

If anyone still doubts Reigns is over with general fans, by which I don't mean whiny internet pricks, go to a house show like that one. People love him.

Also saw the Butlins Super Slam yesterday. Some good wrestling on show and even an appearance by Oliver Gray, Neville's NXT Tag partner, but my god the chants they wanted us to do were jingoistic as hell!