Counting Classics on Consoles

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sat 29 Aug 2015 - 18:24

Think that if you want. Like you said, we've gone off-topic (not even talking about Tempest 2000 any more), and I don't fancy arguing what is largely a triviality.

Back to classic games on the GBA, then!

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sat 29 Aug 2015 - 20:52

Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga YES
Legend of Zelda: the Minish Cap NO
Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire YES
Golden Sun Abstain
Metroid Fusion Abstain
Rhythm Tengoku Abstain
WWIMM YES
WWT NO
Fire Emblem Abstain
FEtSS Abstain
Castlevania AoS Abstain
Castlevania CotM Abstain
Castlevania HoD Abstain
FF Tactics Abstain
GSH NO
Mother 3 Abstain
Advance Wars YES
Pokémon FRLG NO
MKSC YES One of my favourite Mario Karts.
BK Grunty's Revenge NO

I would like to 'YES' these:

Astroboy
Mario Golf: Advance Tour
Sonic Advance

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sat 29 Aug 2015 - 22:22

Ooh, I've not played Sonic Advance (or any of those, actually) but I've heard good things. Thumbs Up!

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sat 29 Aug 2015 - 22:26

Disappointed with the number of abstains on Rhythm Tengoku & Warioware twisted (yes, I know they are imports) so if you haven't played them before then I highly recommend you seek them out.

Where's Stu & fronkhead when ye need them?

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 30 Aug 2015 - 0:32

]Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga - YES
Legend of Zelda: the Minish Cap - Yes
Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire - No
Golden Sun Abstain
Metroid Fusion - Yes
Rhythm Tengoku - Yes
WWIMM - YES
WWT - Abstain
Fire Emblem Abstain
FEtSS Abstain
Castlevania AoS Abstain
Castlevania CotM Abstain
Castlevania HoD Abstain
FF Tactics Abstain
GSH - abstain
Mother 3 - Yes
Advance Wars - Yes
Pokémon FRLG - Yes
MKSC - No
BK Grunty's Revenge - Abstain
Astroboy - Abstain
Mario Golf: Advance Tour - Yes
Sonic Advance - abstain

A few suggestions

Konami Krazy Racers
F-Zero Maximum Velocity
Wario Land 4
Ninja Cop
Harvest Moon: Friends of Mineral Town
Kuru Kuru Kururin
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Metroid Zero Mission
Bokai
Ballistic: Ecks vs Sever
Mario vs Donkey Kong

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 30 Aug 2015 - 0:41

Dead Lemon wrote:: Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire - No

Ooh, interesting. How come, DL?

Also, I can only offer up a vote for Metroid: Zero Mission, which gets a rousing YES for improving greatly upon the somewhat dated NES original.

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 30 Aug 2015 - 8:13

I'll throw a few yeses at the 2 Fire Emblems and Advanced Wars
For what it's worth I'd also agree to Superstar Saga, Metroid Fusion, Warioware and Minish Cap

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 30 Aug 2015 - 8:20

JayMoyles wrote:: Ooh, I've not played Sonic Advance (or any of those, actually) but I've heard good things.

Is this an upvote, Jay? I've recorded it as an abstain for now.

The_Jaster wrote:: Disappointed with the number of abstains on Rhythm Tengoku & Warioware twisted (yes, I know they are imports) so if you haven't played them before then I highly recommend you seek them out.

Where's Stu & fronkhead when ye need them?

I dunno, tell them to get their backsides off of Twitter and back here! I'd love to play both those games, but Tengoku was Japan only and I've talked about Japan-only games already. Abstained on WWT.

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 30 Aug 2015 - 9:03

Ooh, I better catch up! Wait, most of these are time-wasing abstains:

Astroboy - Abstain
Mario Golf: Advance Tour - Abstain
Sonic Advance - Abstain
Konami Krazy Racers - Oh yeah! Yes
F-Zero Maximum Velocity - No though
Wario Land 4 - Yes - Yes yes. Yes
Ninja Cop - Abstain
Harvest Moon: Friends of Mineral Town - Abstain
Kuru Kuru Kururin - Abstain
Street Fighter Alpha 3 - Abstain
Metroid Zero Mission - Abstain
Bokai - Abstain
Ballistic: Ecks vs Sever - Abstain
Mario vs Donkey Kong - No. I did like it... but...

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 30 Aug 2015 - 9:17

Balladeer wrote:

The_Jaster wrote:: Disappointed with the number of abstains on Rhythm Tengoku & Warioware twisted (yes, I know they are imports) so if you haven't played them before then I highly recommend you seek them out.

Where's Stu & fronkhead when ye need them?

I dunno, tell them to get their backsides off of Twitter and back here! I'd love to play both those games, but Tengoku was Japan only and I've talked about Japan-only games already. Abstained on WWT.

Do you mean when you said this?

Quote :: If you've not played something, and barely anyone you know has played it, and most of the available market hasn't had a chance to play it, and even the people who have played it haven't played a proper approved version of it (stops for breath), how can that possibly be a classic?

To answer your question, it simply comes down to (for imports anyway) can you enjoy the game without the language barrier getting in the way? With Tengoku that's a resounding yes, also a classic to me is an absolute must play experience which is another box it ticks.

Plus it'd feel wrong to not include a game that NGamer practically raved about nearly every issue.

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Metroid zero mission - yes
castlevania AoS - yes
advance wars - yes

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 30 Aug 2015 - 9:30

Wouldn't rhythm be in at the moment though being 4-1,

A lot more to talk about it seems

BK Grunty's Revenge Abstain
Astroboy Abstain
Mario Golf: Advance Tour Abstain
Sonic Advance Yes
Konami Krazy Racers Abstain
F-Zero Maximum Velocity Abstain
Wario Land 4 Yes
Ninja Cop No
Harvest Moon: Friends of Mineral Town Yes
Kuru Kuru Kururin Abstain
Street Fighter Alpha 3 No
Metroid Zero Mission Abstain
Boktai Yes
Ballistic: Ecks vs Sever Yes
Mario vs Donkey Kong Abstain

Just going to put these forward:
Golden Sun: The Lost Age
Klonoa: Empire of Dreams
Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories
Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land
Sword of Mana

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 30 Aug 2015 - 11:21

Balladeer wrote:

JayMoyles wrote:: Ooh, I've not played Sonic Advance (or any of those, actually) but I've heard good things.

Is this an upvote, Jay? I've recorded it as an abstain for now.

Nah, that's an abstain!

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 30 Aug 2015 - 13:34

Abstain it is!

The_Jaster wrote:: Do you mean when you said this?

Nah, that was M3 only. I just meant this:

Balladeer wrote:: There were a couple of games that I felt were better suited to "cult classic" status, like Rhythm Tengoku and Mother 3 - I think the game has to come out (officially) in more than just Japan for me to consider it a "classic".

The importing's a significant barrier (not as significant as in these region-locked days, but significant enough) which will prevent many people getting their hands on and playing RT. I would have snapped up a UK release, for one, because of how much NGC rambled on about it!

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 30 Aug 2015 - 14:27

Blimey, stop GNaming for a couple days to play Metal Gear and you miss a whole console!

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 30 Aug 2015 - 16:59

JayMoyles wrote:

Dead Lemon wrote:: Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire - No

Ooh, interesting. How come, DL?.

It was the generation I struggled to get on with. Probably too burned out by the games that game before it but to me that generation always felt the weakest to me.

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 30 Aug 2015 - 20:04

I wonder whether it's a generational thing as well? Mr. Lemon has a few years on me, and RSE was the last gen. I really enjoyed. I can give you objective reasons why DP were a bit rubbish in comparison, but there was also a Spark (60 damage, 30% chance of paralysis) I really felt for those games that I've never really felt again. Suspect

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 30 Aug 2015 - 21:11

It was D/P which turned me away from Pokemon for a good while - I thoroughly enjoyed R/S/E though. Smile

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 30 Aug 2015 - 23:02

Whereas Diamond/Pearl re-ignited my joy for the series. By giving up on R/S it gave me a long enough break so I was excited again for Diamond and Pearl (and then HG/SS). In fact I can see a bit of a pattern:

Gen 1 Blue/Red - Loved and was obsessed with
Gen 2 Gold/Silver - Brilliant follow up that again I really enjoyed
Gen 3 Ruby/Sapphire - Couldn't get along with. Gave up
Gen 4 Diamond/Pearl - enough time had passed and was ready for Pokemon again. Enjoyed
(Also Gen 4 - HG - in no doubt partly due to nostalgia was a big fan and possibly my all time fave)
Gen 5 Black/White - Still had time for so enjoyed it for the most part.
Gen 6 X/Y - had lost interest again so never picked it up.

By my reckoning the next Gen will win me back.

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 30 Aug 2015 - 23:46

Funnily enough, your excitement for Diamond and Pearl is basically what I felt for Black and White. I had a blast with Black and White, and I don't think I'd have enjoyed it as much if I hadn't taken a Poke-break for a few years.

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Mon 31 Aug 2015 - 8:33

My policy of leaving this thread for a little while is not working out! Shocked

I've just sat for ten minutes thinking this through...

Spoiler:

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Mon 31 Aug 2015 - 9:32

Drunka will have to do a huge list like you Zero, if he doesn't want to miss the GBA

On Pokemon I'm the same I played R/B/Y then G/S/C but never was bothered about R/S/E or /D/P/P but I did play HG/SS then the first B/W but the not seconds, I played both X&Y along with OR/AS.

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Tue 1 Sep 2015 - 22:36

Speaking of Emerald, is that included in Pokémon R/S? If not, let's see what the people think! Grin

Otherwise, erm, er, ah. :shrink:

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Fri 4 Sep 2015 - 18:12

Looks like the GBA will have the least the amount of games in, then.

Also abstain on Emerald as I was classing it with R/S.

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Fri 4 Sep 2015 - 18:17

Argh, forgot to respond to Zero's post! Duh!

I feel like Emmy's different enough from RS to be treated differently, but not different enough to be a classic in its own right.

And I'm completely unsurprised to see the GBA having so few classics. An awkward middle child between classic consoles.

Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Fri 4 Sep 2015 - 18:33

Just seems a little weird a system that sold over 80m SKU's has so few classics but then again most of the stand-out games are SNES games like LttP, Mario's, Final Fantasy VI etc.

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