Counting Classics on Consoles

gjones wrote:

Worms 2
Theme Hospital

Is that Armageddon? If so, Worms 2 gets a YES from me. Abstaining otherwise. Theme Hospital gets a NO from me - didn't rate it compared to Theme Park.

Also, what's wrong with Crash?

Well when, I thought this week was starting out slow and with likes Jimbob being Nintendo only at the time (A time where you could of be any of them only even SEGA) there wouldn't be much to talk about but a No from Jim for Crazy Taxi, let's hope Cappa doesn't pop his head in.

Loads of No's for Crash, the 1st I did No but 2, 3 & CTR are all great and I would love to see Sony get Crash back.

I agree with gJone that SoulCalibur is still the best 3D fighter around and disagree with Jay about the sequel being better.

Bit of house keeping, yeah first released as if just PAL how could of we voted for Earthbound during SNES week also need to know what you mean with Worms 2 and yes Sonic Pocket Adventure AKA the best Sonic was on the NGPC AKA the best handheld not made by Nintendo.

masofdas wrote:

Well when, I thought this week was starting out slow and with likes Jimbob being Nintendo only at the time (A time where you could of be any of them only even SEGA) there wouldn't be much to talk about but a No from Jim for Crazy Taxi, let's hope Cappa doesn't pop his head in.

Loads of No's for Crash, the 1st I did No but 2, 3 & CTR are all great and I would love to see Sony get Crash back.

I agree with gJone that SoulCalibur is still the best 3D fighter around and disagree with Jay about the sequel being better.

Bit of house keeping, yeah first released as if just PAL how could of we voted for Earthbound during SNES week also need to know what you mean with Worms 2 and yes Sonic Pocket Adventure AKA the best Sonic was on the NGPC AKA the best handheld not made by Nintendo.

Worms 2 was before Worms Armageddon. I thought Worms Armageddon may have been voted previously for the N64, but they are similar games.

I had a Neo Geo Pocket Color and only really got on with Metal Slug. I'd probably rather have a PSP than a NGPC though, just because there wasn't much that stood out.

I will put as Worms 2 then.

I did like the PSP and we will come to that soon but I loved the NGPC all the games were pretty much exclusives only & all good even the sports ones.

Right, I'll have a stab. Missing the ol' abstains, obviously.

Tomb Raider Yes, obviously.
Tekken 3 YASSSSSSSS
Metal Gear Solid FUCKING YASSSSSS
Crash Bandicoot Yeah, I like it
Worms Yes, to any version of worms that looks like it's going in. Presumably Armageddon?
Crazy Taxi yes

My suggestions
Oddworld: Abe's Odyssey
X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter
Wipeout

Just Crash 1 or all of them as the sequels are so much better and no yes for RE2,  Kamiya will be disappointed in you.

Wipeout YES

...and abstains for everything else.

Hmm, I can barely separate my memories of the Crash games. Count me as a yes for all of them.
Not played Resi 2.
Where's Resi 1?

I didn't want to put more than one game per series up myself, hence why I went for RE2.

I will put Resident Evil down with two Yes's mine and yours also go play RE2 it's on loads of system's.

Ooh I missed loads

Yesses for
Worms 2
Theme Hospital
Abe's Oddyseyeyyeeeye

Another one: Micro Machines V3 on PS1.

So far 15 will be going in,

Sorry Drunka I No'ed Micro as if no one wants to put them forward during 1990-95 then no way there going in now.

@Jimbob I would scrap the whole I'm going to play SEGA games and if you got a PS3 go download a load of PS1 classics instead.

I am going to YES Micro Machines V3, as it was a clever spin on the old classic.

15 games went in last week, which wasn't bad seeing the likes of Jim & Zero were either just Nintendo or weren't gaming much at the time. Anyway we move on to late PS1 all the Dreamcast and early PS2, Xbox with me putting forward 31 games with loads missing still that I could think off.


Resident Evil Code: Veronica Y 3-0
The Sims Y 5-0
Dead or Alive 2 Y 1-2
Jet Set Radio Y 3-0
Marvel vs Capcom 2 Y 4-1
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 Y 4-0
Skies of Arcadia Y 2-0
Final Fantasy IX (The best Final Fantasy) Y 1-0
Dark Cloud Y 2-0
Phantasy Star Online Y 2-0
Sonic Adventure 2 (the best 3D Sonic) Y 3-2
Ico Y 4-0
SSX Tricky Y 4-0
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty Y 5-0
Halo: Combat Evolved Y 5-0
Silent Hill 2 Y 2-0
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind Y 4-0
Kingdom Hearts Y 1-1
TimeSplitters 2 Y 5-1
Burnout 2: Point of Impact Y 4-0
Ikaruga Y 4-0
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Y 3-0
Soul Calibur II Y 5-0
The Simpsons: Hit & Run Y 3-3
Beyond Good & Evil Y 5-0
Ninja Gaiden / Black Y 2-0
Shenmue II Y 2-1
The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay Y 1-0
World of Warcraft Y 3-0
ChuChu Rocket! Y 3-0
Rez Y 1-1
Final Fantasy X Y 3-0
Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy A 1-0
007 Nightfire A 3-1
Ratchet and Clank 2 Going Commando A 2-0
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time N 4-2
Spider-Man 2 Y 5-0
Jak 3 A 1-0
Power Stone 2 Y 2-0
Grandia 2 A 1-0
Outrun 2 Y 3-0
Jet Set Radio Future Y 3-0
Virtua Tennis Y 2-0
Virtua Fighter 4 N 1-1
WWE Smackdown Here Comes The Pain A 3-0
Grand Theft Auto 3 Y 5-0
Grand Theft Auto Vice City A 4-0
Tony Hawks 4 A 1-0
Burnout 3: Takedown Y 4-0
Katamari Damacy A 3-0
Half Life 2 A 4-0
Max Payne A 2-0
Fable Y 3-0
Project Zero 2 Y 2-0
Fahrenheit Y 2-1
Rainbow Six 3 A 1-0
Battlefield 1942 Y 2-0
Thief 2 the Metal Age N 1-1
Spider-Man (2000) Y 2-0

That's... a big list.

Okay, with my abstains removed:

Marvel vs Capcom 2: I do not rate Mahvel. Soz, it's a NO.
Dark Cloud: I LOVE THIS GAME. Yep!
Ico: Yep!
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty: Yep!
Halo: Combat Evolved: Yep!
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind: FUCK YEAH!
TimeSplitters 2: Yep.
Ikaruga: ...hmm. This is tough. I thought this was okay, but it's lauded as a damn good shooter. I'll give it a yes.
Soul Calibur II: Yep, great game!
The Simpsons: Hit & Run: I actually got the chance to play a little bit of this very recently, and it hasn't aged well. No.
Beyond Good & Evil: Yes!

I'd like to put forward the following:
Final Fantasy X
Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy
007 Nightfire (MATTHEW YOU ARE WRONG)
Ratchet and Clank 2
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
Spider-Man 2
Jak 3

Resident Evil Code: Veronica YES
The Sims YES
Dead or Alive 2 NO
Jet Set Radio YES
Marvel vs Capcom 2 YES
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 HELL YES
Skies of Arcadia YES
Final Fantasy IX (The best Final Fantasy) Abstain
Dark Cloud Abstain
Phantasy Star Online Abstain
Sonic Adventure 2 (the best 3D Sonic) NO. None of the 3D Sonics are classic games.
Ico Abstain
SSX Tricky YES
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty YES
Halo: Combat Evolved YES
Silent Hill 2 YES
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind Abstain
Kingdom Hearts Abstain
TimeSplitters 2 YES
Burnout 2: Point of Impact YES
Ikaruga YES
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Abstain
Soul Calibur II YES
The Simpsons: Hit & Run NO this has dated badly
Beyond Good & Evil YES
Ninja Gaiden / Black YES YES YES
Shenmue II YES
The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay Abstain
World of Warcraft Abstain
ChuChu Rocket! YES
Rez NO Played this recently and it's a good game, but I wouldn't say it's a classic.
Final Fantasy X Abstain
Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy Abstain
007 Nightfire Abstain
Ratchet and Clank 2 Going Commando Abstain
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time YES
Spider-Man 2 Abstain
Jak 3 Abstain

I'll add:

Power Stone 2
Grandia 2
Outrun 2
Jet Set Radio Future
Virtua Tennis
Virtua Fighter 4
WWE Smackdown Here Comes The Pain
Grand Theft Auto 3
Grand Theft Auto Vice City
Tony Hawks 4
Burnout 3: Takedown
Katamari Damacy
Half Life 2
Max Payne
Fable
Project Zero 2
Fahrenheit
Rainbow Six 3

Yeses to Half Life 2 and Here Comes The Pain.

Ho-boy... abstains not included...

The Sims - Yes
Sonic Adventure 2 (the best 3D Sonic) - No
Ico - Yes
SSX Tricky - Yes
Halo: Combat Evolved  - Yes. Even my parents had a co-op go at this in a Comet demo pod
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind - Yes. It's aged like crap, but in terms of moving the goalposts
Kingdom Hearts - No. No Kingdom Hearts game should be a classic
TimeSplitters 2 - Yes
Ikaruga - Yes
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic - Yes
Soul Calibur II - Yes - even though it ain't no Street Fighter
The Simpsons: Hit & Run - No - I like the game but it isn't a classic, being a very cynical parody
Beyond Good & Evil - Yes
World of Warcraft - Yes. I've never played it - Don't tempt me Frodo! - but it is
007 Nightfire - No
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time - YES
Spider-Man 2 - Yes
Grand Theft Auto 3 - Yes
Grand Theft Auto Vice City - Yes
Katamari Damacy - Yes
Half Life 2 - Yes
Fable - Yes / Just
Fahrenheit - No


My nominations:

Battlefield 1942
Thief 2 the Metal Age
Cave Story (although I think its Wii iteration may have made it in the Nintendo list)

Wow, I had no idea Cave Story was released that early. A definite YES from me.

The Sims Yes For now. Was Sims 2 in this period? I think that's the one most people are into.
Dead or Alive 2 No. Come off it.
Jet Set Radio Yes.
Marvel vs Capcom Yes.
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater Yes.
Phantasy Star Online Yes. Not played much, but I know enough people who were into it.
Sonic Adventure 2 Yes. Rolling around at the speed of sound
Ico Yes... but only if you play it before SOTC! Otherwise it seems a bit pish.
SSX Tricky Yes. Did this not get in on gamecube?
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty YASSSSS
Halo: Combat Evolved FUCKING YYYAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind Yes. Not played much Elder Scrolls, but yessing on my brother's behalf.
TimeSplitters 2 Yes
Burnout 2: Point of Impact Yes.
Soul Calibur II Yes.
The Simpsons: Hit & Run Yes.
Beyond Good & Evil Yes.
World of Warcraft Yes Bit tricky this one, as like a river you can never play the same WoW twice.
007 Nightfire Yes.
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time Yes.
Spider-Man 2 Yeeeah, boi!
Outrun 2 Yep.
Jet Set Radio Future Yep.
Grand Theft Auto 3 YES.
Grand Theft Auto Vice City HELL YES.
Burnout 3: Takedown Yes
Katamari Damacy Yes
Half Life 2 Yeah, go on then.

No idea what to add from me, will have a think.

With abstains removed...

Soul Calibur II YES
Spider-Man 2 YES
Cave Story YES



I nominate the 2000 Spider-Man game, because I felt it was better than the second one.

Some house keeping Yes some of these might of been gone in on Nintendo weeks but this all formats, so think is SSX Tricky a classic game be it on Cube or PS2.

On Cave Story it's not in as it was only on a Nintendo formats in till 2011 and those Nintendo formats had weeks unlike like Virtual Boy & Pokemon Mini.

Surprised about the abstains of WoW as I've never played but I put forward due to it's cultural status.

@Jay about MvC2 as it's like the best 2D fighter around also surprised you abstained FFIX & KOTOR as I thought you have played both.

DOA2 still hold to this day on the DC and isn't a bad fighter @Drunka & @gJones

@Jimbob what No to KH, there great JRPGS and Number 3 which will likely see in 2019 knowing Square is a highly anticipated title of mine

I can't believe Drunka & you Jay have not put forward one of your fav game of all-time, here's a clue and some other top games missing so far.

masofdas wrote:

@Jay about MvC2 as it's like the best 2D fighter around also surprised you abstained FFIX & KOTOR as I thought you have played both.

I can't believe Drunka & you Jay have not put forward one of your fav game of all-time, here's a clue and some other top games missing so far.

I really didn't get on with MvC. It was too hectic for its own good for me. And I do own KOTOR, but I've never played it. I need to get on FFIX though, as I've only heard good things.

As for MGS3, I was running off an EU release schedule, and it's 2005 there. I'll nominate it next week.

Oh so many Abstains, I should play ore games from this era.

Resident Evil Code: Veronica YES
The Sims YES
Dead or Alive 2 Abstain
Jet Set Radio Abstain
Marvel vs Capcom 2 YES
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 YES
Skies of Arcadia Abstain
Final Fantasy IX Abstain
Dark Cloud Abstain
Phantasy Star Online Abstain
Sonic Adventure 2 Yes
Ico Abstain
SSX Tricky Abstain
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty YES
Halo: Combat Evolved YES (a huge step forward for the FPS genre)
Silent Hill 2 Abstain
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind Abstain
Kingdom Hearts Abstain
TimeSplitters 2 No (very over rated)
Burnout 2: Point of Impact YES
Ikaruga Abstain
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Yes
Soul Calibur II YES
The Simpsons: Hit & Run Yes
Beyond Good & Evil Abstain
Ninja Gaiden / Black Absatin
Shenmue II No (Never played it but people clamouring for a new one so often has put me off)
The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay Abstain
World of Warcraft Abstain
ChuChu Rocket! YES
Rez Abstain
Final Fantasy X Yes
Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy Abstain
007 Nightfire Yes (screw you space ark)
Ratchet and Clank 2 Going Commando Yes (Not played it but all R&C games are great)
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time No (got a bit repetitive for me)
Spider-Man 2 Yes
Jak 3 Abstain
Power Stone 2 Abstain
Grandia 2 Abstain
Outrun 2 Abstain
Jet Set Radio Future Abstain
Virtua Tennis Abstain
Virtua Fighter 4 Abstain
WWE Smackdown Here Comes The Pain Yes
Grand Theft Auto 3 Yes
Grand Theft Auto Vice City Yes
Tony Hawks 4 Abstain
Burnout 3: Takedown Yes
Katamari Damacy Abstain
Half Life 2 Abstain
Max Payne Yes (paved the way for action games this one)
Fable Abstain
Project Zero 2 Abstain
Fahrenheit Absatin
Rainbow Six 3 Abstain

Treesmurf wrote:

Shenmue II No (Never played it but people clamoring for a new one so often has put me off)

Sorry Balla but


I've not got an issue with you No'ing it but the reason is why I am 'ing, as yes people have been clamoring for a new one as the first two are classics and we want an ending to the series.