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Crumpy Andy Zeta Metroid
Posts : 4921 Points : 4933 Join date : 2013-01-15 Age : 32 Location : The South
| Subject: Re: News thread Thu 23 Jun 2016 - 19:25 | |
| I don't think that's bias Aussie news Athrun, that's basically all the Leave campaign has boiled down to, it has been an absolute sham and I hope we don't see its like for a long time. We've elected a PM, he should damn well be able to make the decisions that matter...
Duck, mine was the last general election and I felt very much the same, I guess you'd have to go near closing time for it to be really busy. |
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Jimbob Bargain Hunter
Posts : 4637 Points : 4663 Join date : 2013-01-15 Age : 42 Location : Milton Keynes
| Subject: Re: News thread Thu 23 Jun 2016 - 20:39 | |
| I'm wasting a post here by basically agreeing with all of you. I did it, I voted "in", I sighed at how sad all of this has become. Even if we do leave the EU, I bet the differences that appear to us ordinary folk are negligible.
I did have a panic where I kept getting mixed up as to which word meant which! It's been a long week... |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
Posts : 26468 Points : 25302 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 35 Location : Admintown
| Subject: Re: News thread Thu 23 Jun 2016 - 21:31 | |
| Likewise! Dyspraxic here. Spent a good minute in the polling booth checking and re-checking that I was crossing the right one, then another ten minutes after I'd dropped it in... |
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Buskalilly Galactic Nova
Posts : 15082 Points : 15260 Join date : 2013-02-25 Age : 34 Location : Nagano
| Subject: Re: News thread Thu 23 Jun 2016 - 21:42 | |
| I agree with all the above. Living in Somerset, being surrounded by old, racist white people, this whole thing has been horrible. I've had to keep it all bottled up at work for fear of losing friends.
The worst thing to come from it all is the dislike and distrust of facts, statistics and experts. A weird, terrifying little thing. |
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ZeroJones I'M SO LONELY
Posts : 10465 Points : 9425 Join date : 2013-01-15 Age : 44 Location : North Midlands, England
| Subject: Re: News thread Thu 23 Jun 2016 - 22:08 | |
| The mistrust of experts is, at best, counter-intuitive; at worst, fundamentally bonkers. If you want your car fixed, you go to a mechanic - you don't go to Bob, who has a wrench. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
Posts : 26468 Points : 25302 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 35 Location : Admintown
| Subject: Re: News thread Thu 23 Jun 2016 - 22:08 | |
| Hey, don't knock Bob, or he'll knock you. |
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ZeroJones I'M SO LONELY
Posts : 10465 Points : 9425 Join date : 2013-01-15 Age : 44 Location : North Midlands, England
| Subject: Re: News thread Thu 23 Jun 2016 - 22:14 | |
| He seems like a nice guy to me. |
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Crumpy Andy Zeta Metroid
Posts : 4921 Points : 4933 Join date : 2013-01-15 Age : 32 Location : The South
| Subject: Re: News thread Fri 24 Jun 2016 - 6:39 | |
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Buskalilly Galactic Nova
Posts : 15082 Points : 15260 Join date : 2013-02-25 Age : 34 Location : Nagano
| Subject: Re: News thread Fri 24 Jun 2016 - 7:06 | |
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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
Posts : 24019 Points : 24420 Join date : 2013-01-18 Age : 34 Location : VITA Island
| Subject: Re: News thread Fri 24 Jun 2016 - 7:08 | |
| I'm not pleased with the result but Switzerland left and have prospered, so we could do the same. |
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ZeroJones I'M SO LONELY
Posts : 10465 Points : 9425 Join date : 2013-01-15 Age : 44 Location : North Midlands, England
| Subject: Re: News thread Fri 24 Jun 2016 - 7:16 | |
| Struggling to think of something to say. Tried to play F-Zero a moment ago and couldn't get into it, so I turned it off. Hopefully the massive stock market troubles are short- or medium-term but so sad. There's no tagline today. |
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Crumpy Andy Zeta Metroid
Posts : 4921 Points : 4933 Join date : 2013-01-15 Age : 32 Location : The South
| Subject: Re: News thread Fri 24 Jun 2016 - 7:40 | |
| I turned on my PS4 this morning and haven't even got as far as launching a game so you've beaten me Zero |
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NintenDUCK Vote Thread
Posts : 938 Points : 957 Join date : 2013-01-18 Age : 27 Location : The floor.
| Subject: Re: News thread Fri 24 Jun 2016 - 13:18 | |
| Haha! everything's going to shit and it's not Northern Ireland's fault. Really though this is just the start of a very long path which, thanks to some blind summits and tight corners, nobody can see the end to. The situation will improve though, and we as a country are really well prepared for financial crises these days (Or so I'm told). It'll be grand. |
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Muss Shiny Shuckle
Posts : 2557 Points : 2575 Join date : 2015-04-03 Location : The 5th Dimension
| Subject: Re: News thread Fri 24 Jun 2016 - 13:31 | |
| This is pretty much how I feel, I won't say anymore. - This:
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
Posts : 15896 Points : 15061 Join date : 2013-01-21 Age : 31 Location : The Shibuya River
| Subject: Re: News thread Fri 24 Jun 2016 - 14:43 | |
| It all comes tumbling down. Fuck.
It seems we're heading towards Indyref 2, Sinn Fein's calling for reunification, Spain's got a claim to get Gibraltar back... tumbling down. |
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Athrun888 Sheegoth
Posts : 3618 Points : 3665 Join date : 2013-01-26 Location : Holiday Bunker
| Subject: Re: News thread Fri 24 Jun 2016 - 15:35 | |
| As I once said to a friend in real life, never underestimate the stupidity of the uninformed masses. First Australia voted Tony Abbott in, now we've seen the brexit campaign win. I'm going to get ahead of the horse here and predict right now that Donald Trump will win the US election! |
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The_Jaster Din
Posts : 11972 Points : 12064 Join date : 2013-01-15 Age : 40 Location : Underground Corpse Pile.
| Subject: Re: News thread Fri 24 Jun 2016 - 18:44 | |
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ZeroJones I'M SO LONELY
Posts : 10465 Points : 9425 Join date : 2013-01-15 Age : 44 Location : North Midlands, England
| Subject: Re: News thread Fri 24 Jun 2016 - 21:41 | |
| So many thoughts. Thoughts that I don't want to put on Facebook and can't fit in a tweet. So you guys are going to get them instead. Let me first preface this by saying that Brexit may yet be the best thing that's happened to the nation for seventy years. Despite that, today I am heartbroken and disappointed in myself that I didn't say more, do more, to try and keep it from happening. Then... - The Bones:
Didn't think it would happen, so I've spent much of the day pondering why it did happen. Here are some of my thoughts.
Leave Campaign: Got to hand it to them, they ran the better campaign in terms of appealing to people. To be fair, there were two campaigns: the one headed by Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, which ran on the language of taking back control (nice choice, implies the opposition are out of control), and Nigel Farage's campaign, which ran on the fear of immigrants taking British jobs and resources. This gave them a broader spread of appeal than the...
Remain Campaign: Did not do enough to allay people's fears about the EU or, dare I say it, give reasons why it's a good thing. Instead the main headlines I read were "Oooh, this bad thing might happen" or "That bad thing might happen". They also seemed very relaxed which, in hindsight, could be a bad thing.
Labour Party: :shrink: Seriously, if David Cameron has stepped down, then Jeremy Corbyn has to do the same. My fear is that he's purposefully done little so that Cameron would have to step down and he can seize the opportunity in the confusion... but the Tories have been confused and fighting amongst themselves for months and he has not taken advantage. Really upset by the left not standing up to be counted as effectively as they could have.
Lack of information: There's going to have to be a new way to speak to the electorate at large as no-one managed to convincingly convey the benefits of the EU to the populace. A former colleague has posted a graph on Facebook that he described as "tragic", which shows that the regions that most benefit from the UK's EU membership were more likely to vote Leave. I bet there are households where campaign material goes straight in the bin (I'm guilty of this too); Facebook and Twitter are filled with your mates, so they only echo what you're saying anyway; the news has either not done its duty or been doomed to convey the poor message from the Remain campaign. New thinking is needed to find a way, or ways, to get information out to people.
The Blame Game: It's too hard for politicians to stand up and say "OK, we've made some mistakes. We're going to rectify them." Instead, we get the Blame Game. Recently, immigration has been the thing to blame. Now, certain things came to light during the campaign, namely that most of the immigrants in the UK come from non-EU countries and that immigrants are actually economically beneficial to the UK (creating a situation where the classic joke writes itself as "Coming over here, contributing to our economy"). Those facts do not matter, because the 'blame it on the immigrants' culture has whipped up a hatred amongst certain sections of the populace that's been impossible to resist. A convenient scapegoat for the government has just blown up in their face.
- The Present:
Can't stand some of the intellectual sneering being done on Facebook and Twitter by friends, comedians, etc. Only two people have put out the message that I would say: we can only feel sorry for ourselves for so long and then we're just going to have to get on with it: Deborah Meaden and Jeremy 'The Grand Tour Is A Rubbish Name' Clarkson. Once the financial markets level out we can see what the damage is and plan accordingly. The time for wailing and gnashing of teeth is almost over - let's work together to make sure the future of the UK is as bright as possible.
My favourite part of the whole thing is how quickly the Leave campaign's promises folded up like a paper hat - that can only increase the mistrust the nation has of politicians, which is another contributing factor to the decision in the first place.
- The Future:
Negotiations. Lots of 'em, with lots of different bodies. With the Scottish Parliament, to see if #Scexit (try it, you might like it) is a possibility. If Scotland decide to leave the UK, they should only do so if there's a guarantee - a cast-iron, no backsies guarantee - that they will join the European Union. If that's not on the cards, it shouldn't happen. A separate non-EU Scotland would, I feel, compound our problems. Please educate me on that if I'm wrong - and I mean that genuinely, non-sarcastically. I want to be as informed about things as I possibly can be in the future. Other negotiations are needed with Northern Ireland and the Republic because the border will need to be changed - I saw it called a 'hard border' earlier in the day. That's a big change in that part of the world, with the current peace process still in play. Feelings will run high. There's some other negotiations that need to take place, too... what were they now? There are massive, wide-reaching and long-lasting implications to this and I am pretty certain the UK will not come out of them well. We've bloodied the nose of Europe and the process of leaving the Union will be their chance to bloody ours: there is little chance of enjoying the same trade deals with the EU outside it as inside it, because they will have to make an example of us or risk further instability. Our politicians and civil servants must play they hand they've been dealt to the best of their ability.
Last edited by ZeroJones on Fri 24 Jun 2016 - 21:53; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : forgot some stuff. Yeah, more text. Apologies!) |
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NintenDUCK Vote Thread
Posts : 938 Points : 957 Join date : 2013-01-18 Age : 27 Location : The floor.
| Subject: Re: News thread Fri 24 Jun 2016 - 23:12 | |
| #scexit might have to do, apart from GlasGo I have nothing. On the hard border point, there's no appetite for such measures on either side of the border. The Irish president has already asserted that he'd like the free movement from north to south to continue, but I don't know if the rest of Europe gets a say in that. I'm certain though that a hard border would do more harm than good. |
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Buskalilly Galactic Nova
Posts : 15082 Points : 15260 Join date : 2013-02-25 Age : 34 Location : Nagano
| Subject: Re: News thread Sat 25 Jun 2016 - 7:02 | |
| The Corbyn one is awkward. Cameron actually made the dumb move of calling the referendum and losing it, while Corbyn actually had a history of supporting leaving the EU until more recently. I really hope he doesn't step down- I don't want to see another Blairite take the party. |
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Muss Shiny Shuckle
Posts : 2557 Points : 2575 Join date : 2015-04-03 Location : The 5th Dimension
| Subject: Re: News thread Sat 25 Jun 2016 - 11:44 | |
| If this is an anti-establishment age - re The triumph of Leavers, Trump's rise, and Corbyn's election. Then getting rid of Corbyn would be the single greatest mistake labour can make right now. That said, if Scotland and Ireland, quite rightly, hold their own respective referendums and choose to leave us then England and Wales will be perpetually blue regardless. - Brexit negativity warning:
I have some admiration for those of us who are looking to move forward and do the best we can, really I do. But just look at the damage that's been done in 48 hours, there's a Guardian report that says Brexit has wiped $2 Trillion off of global markets, we've dropped to 6th in Economic wealth, and we've all heard about Sterling going tits up. I'm angry, heartbroken, and deeply depressed. My generation, and our children, have had their rights stripped by a generation with the least amount of time left to live with our decision. Social Media is littered with those saying that our decision was democratic, but where's the justice in giving pensioners a say where 16/17 y/os, those who can legally get married and fight to the death for our country, have not a word in something that will affect them for 60-80 years rather than 5-10. We're polishing one almighty great turd right now and the rest of the world is having to put up with our stench. I've never felt so ashamed of my homeland
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Athrun888 Sheegoth
Posts : 3618 Points : 3665 Join date : 2013-01-26 Location : Holiday Bunker
| Subject: Re: News thread Sun 26 Jun 2016 - 10:04 | |
| Honestly I think most of the lost money on the markets is just the typical lemming-ball effect. Like usual the sky is falling in in the investment market because the investors are the ones making it fall in. It honestly baffles me why everyone seems taken unawares by this too, we've all known it was a almost fifty/fifty split for months, you can't call those with any reliability so anybody and everybody should have been bracing for either result. Especially with the anti-establishment sentiment sweeping the western world right now.
Speaking of craziness, I reckon Australia's election next saturday is going to produce some interesting results. Even my own seat is apparently in play, which is crazy as it's one of the single most safe Liberal seats in the nation. Really says how badly Abbott trashed the Liberal brand, and how garbage Turnbull has been that he hasn't repaired it. I don't think Labour will win the election, but nobody thought Brexit was going to happen either and the polls had similar margins. |
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The_Jaster Din
Posts : 11972 Points : 12064 Join date : 2013-01-15 Age : 40 Location : Underground Corpse Pile.
| Subject: Re: News thread Sun 26 Jun 2016 - 14:59 | |
| - Zero wrote:
- If Scotland decide to leave the UK, they should only do so if there's a guarantee - a cast-iron, no backsies guarantee - that they will join the European Union. If that's not on the cards, it shouldn't happen. A separate non-EU Scotland would, I feel, compound our problems.
As someone who voted Yes in the Scottish Indy ref I can only agree with this 100%. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
Posts : 26468 Points : 25302 Join date : 2013-01-16 Age : 35 Location : Admintown
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Buskalilly Galactic Nova
Posts : 15082 Points : 15260 Join date : 2013-02-25 Age : 34 Location : Nagano
| Subject: Re: News thread Wed 29 Jun 2016 - 16:50 | |
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