Nintendo NX -> Nintendo Switch (Switchcraft)

The way I see it if this rumour is to be believed then portability won't be the sole point of the device as I'd imagine they'll have a new handheld for that.

Here's hoping!

Well we see as Emily Rodgers who is right 9/10 times says the streaming stuff etc is a load of bull. What she's heard sounds more like a proper hybrid again with first party output being the most ever as all teams are working on something that works for NX not like now Wii U & 3DS.

My point if the rumor is true, that if there making this device that can be played anywhere if there's Wi Fi surely you have to make it more portable then the gamepad at least which handicapped the buttons etc.

Emily Rodgers can bite ma boaby, in fact I might go tweet her that.

What's Emily Rogers all about? I see fronkhead talking about her on Twitter sometimes. Would she be even up for biting Jaster's boaby? Is she a Boaby Master who's got her ear to the ground when it comes to Nintendo chat?

Anyhoo, NX. Should be all right.

The Cappuccino Kid wrote:

Anyhoo, NX. Should be all right.

^This hot take right here

The Cappuccino Kid wrote:

What's Emily Rogers all about? I see fronkhead talking about her on Twitter sometimes. Would she be even up for biting Jaster's boaby? Is she a Boaby Master who's got her ear to the ground when it comes to Nintendo chat?

Apparently has some people at Ninty and other places whispering in her lug'ole. Maybe. Given more credit than she's really earned in my not-so-humble, slightly-irritated-with-nothing-in-particular opinion.

Jimbob wrote:

The Cappuccino Kid wrote:

Anyhoo, NX. Should be all right.

^This hot take right here

All views are my own.

Also, Balladeer, you answered the wrong question: would she really be up for biting Jaster's boaby? Yes or no.

Hmm, tough one. Given the number of #gamergaters and the like who presumably semi-seriously ask the same every day (because women on Twitter, esp. in videogames), I think Jas would need to make his pitch something very special to stand out. Is he up for cooking his boaby with red wine and onions? This is the real question.

You are all now thinking about ma boaby, some even with red wine & onions. I win.

Hoo boy.  No NX until March 2017.  It won't even feature at E3. Zelda U too, and it will indeed be a cross-platform offering.

This smells.  Not like roses and chocolate either.  Like bile, urine, and a long drawn-out death for the Wii U. And E3 this year will be terrible.

Sounds fine to me, the 3DS is already stacked with long games between three Fire Emblem games, Bravely Second, and Pokemon. Delaying Zelda U is seriously moronic though, there's no good reason to do that. Especially when so few people have a Wii U to begin with, either the NX has a good launch and draws in a ton of fresh blood, making the delay on the U pointless, or it doesn't and it's still pointless because most people stick with the U.

There's no point in delaying it really, the Wii U has literally nothing this year. Meanwhile they're choosing to launch a console not in the holiday period, where sales are assured with a good hype campaign, but in the post-Christmas period where very few people buy anything. This is the epitimy of placing ones eggs in a single unreliable basket (Pokemon gen 7), and I suspect it'll bite them in the backside.


Either way Im fine with it as a consumer. 3ds has a ton of stuff already, and I'm considering buying a PS4 by years end as well.



One interesting thing to note however, they have a history of launching their home consoles in the holiday season with their handhelds launching either in the holiday season or the feb-march area. Perhaps it's a bit early to read such things in to this, but if there was any indicator that the NX is either a hybrid or two systems with a universal library I think this might be it.

Seems gJones was right and I have said so this morning on Twitter but he like Athrun points out what's Nintendo got this year especially the holiday season.

Yeah the 3DS looks great this year but the Wii U what's left, I said in my artilce not much and only Paper Mario & Zelda U which is now coming to the NX is left after TMS come out.

From a fans point of view of buying a playing Nintendo it's 3DS is where I'm buying Nintendo games and Paper Mario might be the last sort of Wii U game that is only on Wii U.

E3 like I said in the Zelda thread is a little weird, yeah it's great people can play it but just that seriously wheres Pokémon Sun & Moon, Paper Mario etc I'm hoping the E3 Direct and Treehosue shows more then just Zelda as it would be nice to what's coming the rest of year and the not showing the NX at E3 as well seems mad.

I can only think there showing it at there own event maybe around Christmas to go save your money Athrun don't get that PS4, get a NX in 3 months time and that from a business point of view seems utterly mad to launch a system in March.

As Athrun point out he's getting a PS4 by year end, I'm getting a PSVR and lot's of Little Jimmy's & Jane's will be asking Santa for a PS4, PSVR, Xbox One, Maybe enhanced versions of the PS4 & Xbox One, 3DS possibly due to Pokemon that come March where is Santa know where to be seen.

I say that but most early adopters are fans just take me with PSVR, I'm a fan of VR that I'm getting day one where someone like Jas may wait in till there is somethign that he thinks he needs VR for and maybe a better price.

Only thing is how many early adopters does Nintendo have especially in March with Zelda U likely the big title and you would think the early adopters own a Wii U and they can play it on that, yeah I know same happened with TP most likely could have played on Cube but bought a Wii.

I say all that but late February / early March is when I get my bonus , there is no other system to but like if the NX came out this year I doubt I could of bought it and a PSVR with a bunch of games.

So personally March isn't a bad release window just a shame that this year might be a bit duff for the Wii U at least after June, could be a bad E3 and Nintendo as business it might not be good missing the holiday hype and launching over 3 years in to a generations where the other two have such high install bases.

Athrun does have a point about the handhelds and the 3DS would be 6 years old in March 2017. .

Ah the good ol' days, when consoles launched when they had games. N64 was in March, Dreamcast in September, Gamecube in May... although that was the days of Europe getting everything 6 months later. What this does suggest is that Nintendo want to avoid any half-arsed launch line-up that could happen by rushing the system out for Xmas, in a potentially crowded market.

I've been thinking about re-buying a Wii-U, but this has put pay to that. I'll happily start saving and be there on day 1 for the NX (actually never owned a Nintendo console from launch).

I have some time to elaborate now, so let me explain why I think this is absolutely terrible on every single level.


The NX being delayed until 2017 is terrible because it mean that Nintendo consoles are absolutely dead over the holiday season.  Maybe Pokémon, that's all.  Nothing on their home console, apart from maybe a Paper Mario that's already alienated the franchise's core fans.  No Zelda.  Their hopes instead rest on mobile titles, for feck's sake.  

In the meantime, the Wii U will have a long protracted death.  The 3DS is somewhat better off, but man cannot game on Pokémon alone.

If they need the time to improve the NX launch line-up so that it's actually worth buying, theoretically great.  But will even the best console in the world sell as well in the spring as a waste of space at Christmas?  

Sales-based arguments these may be, but Nintendo is a company that thrives on sales, and I am seriously worried about them now.


I think Zelda being delayed is horrible, for the answers that Athrun has given, and also for the Wii-U-protracted-death thing I mentioned above.  But my main worry is actually about E3.


Nintendo may want to sidestep E3.  They can't.  Gaming companies can't.  Or shouldn't.

This is when all eyes are on the gaming world.  When gaming fans are at their most hyped, and non-gaming fans can be converted in reasonable numbers.

No NX?  The NX is meant to be ready for shipping in nine months (should be fewer), and you're telling me that nothing of it is ready to show?  So Nintendo is firing both barrels into its new console already: killing potential holiday hype and potential E3 hype both at once.  Unless there's a chuffing massive marketing drive, no matter about the launch line-up, the console could well be dead on arrival.

And what are they going to play over Treehouse?  Zelda U for twenty-four hours, or whatever it is?  What else can they show if there's no NX stuff?  You can get three hours at most out of both Pokémon and Paper Mario: Colour Splash.  Knowing Nintendo, they'll try to stretch each out for eight hours, putting the reeking buzzing fly with its eyes on your picnic on top of the crusty turd.


In one financial briefing, Nintendo cocked up its current console, its new console, and its most anticipated new game.  The least we deserve is an Iwata-style apology from Kimishima.

Tune in tomorrow for me trying to make the best of a bad thing and saying there's no problem in the long term. I hit the first two stages of grief the wrong way around.

Balladeer wrote:

The NX being delayed until 2017 is terrible...

The NX has not been delayed. This is the first time any release date has been announced. Christmas 2016 was only ever speculation and never mentioned by Nintendo.

Balladeer wrote:

Sales-based arguments these may be, but Nintendo is a company that thrives on sales, and I am seriously worried about them now.

Nintendo just revealed they are still making profit. Sure it's down (a lot) but they're certainly not in trouble.

Balladeer wrote:

Nintendo may want to sidestep E3.  They can't.  Gaming companies can't.  Or shouldn't.

This is when all eyes are on the gaming world. When gaming fans are at their most hyped, and non-gaming fans can be converted in reasonable numbers.

They can and they have. Nintendo no longer do conferences and they haven't for a few years now. They have set a precedent for changing their E3 presence to suit Nintendo. E3 is no where near as important as a lot of gaming fans think - I don't think that last quoted sentence is true at all.

Balladeer wrote:

No NX?  The NX is meant to be ready for shipping in nine months (should be fewer), and you're telling me that nothing of it is ready to show?  So Nintendo is firing both barrels into its new console already: killing potential holiday hype and potential E3 hype both at once.  Unless there's a chuffing massive marketing drive, no matter about the launch line-up, the console could well be dead on arrival.

Look back at the last time Nintendo dedicated an E3 event to revealing a new console, and ask yourself whether it went well or not. I'd say that Nintendo are reacting to their previous experiences and don't want a repeat of the WiiU reveal. With the NX launching in March 2017 an E3 reveal would be early. An E3 reveal would have made a lot more sense if it was releasing for Christmas, but it isn't. I'd expect the NX reveal to now come in the latter half of the year so that Nintendo can keep the new console hype going right up until release. Making announcements on their own terms is also a proven tactic for Nintendo - why compete with all the other noise at E3 (especially when it will involve things like VR and the PS4K) when they can grab all the attention themselves at a better suited date?

Balladeer wrote:

In one financial briefing, Nintendo cocked up its current console, its new console, and its most anticipated new game.  The least we deserve is an Iwata-style apology from Kimishima.

You're crazy if you think Nintendo apologising over the announcement of the NX is a good idea, let alone justified. An apology for a delay to Zelda U possibly - that's the only thing that has been delayed. And on that note...

Athrun888 wrote:

Delaying Zelda U is seriously moronic though, there's no good reason to do that.

Apart from maybe making sure the game is good and ready? Time again for that well known Shigsy quote I think...

You like these point-by-point rebuttals, don't you OR?

In the Zelda thread, ZeroJones wrote:

Just a small thing - I reckon that the point of a debate is to improve your understanding of the opposition position. If you're going into one to persuade people to your point of view, you are going to be disappointed a lot of the time.

It reads like an attempt to convince to me.  Especially as your first post on this point, before a general "this is my opinion".  Also, please don't call the person you're debating with "crazy".

EDIT: I will say that Nintendo going under, or even stopping making consoles, are far from the only things I worry about.  The industry is better with a strong Nintendo (and a strong Sony for that matter).

Am I right in understanding, therefore, that you do not believe that any of the timing of reveal, the treatment of Zelda, or the treatment of E3 are negatives in the long run, either to the business or the consumer?